From lojban+bncCIPo5fbjAhCg89zsBBoE1mHEMA@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 02 07:59:06 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q62Ht-00045V-Uq; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:59:06 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf3774187wya.16 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:58:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Eas8GGgZpovES3uoWSe4soOq3U6oyEYkNXlBmCLfcmg=; b=dw8IhigEpLQPhMgGOmfkgHaKpy1SJNbuh2w9L95WHdAixoK8ur/4hczOQrg+1KbkuE E7s2KdbaaNlwZwqttzR+AkhNPYQBCFnaE2RyWfIYoSqIKWK57W1BZFJSFsoypGmbNgsP UzTUPZcDi2Yp6M0QSMNO8G/mRqVXTh1S8UYjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=OEp/hiAv6eNBvjA/ZYClb3Ct0lSeZbbhU2c36FeFTTZFN+v10a5vBES+RRfQMd/6p7 Y1mEdjHe3Iu3EI7iaLJTLqXTytW62TVaRvD7+idSXrIYzn7OFYZzG1Mpd4oJlFBsU6fD VZZhgD6USQfC6ujKTksxXyrbq2T+oG/8lz8g0= Received: by 10.216.142.155 with SMTP id i27mr354751wej.1.1301756320987; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.143.86 with SMTP id k64ls1501665wej.3.p; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.145.24 with SMTP id o24mr321957wej.1.1301756320055; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.207.156 with SMTP id n28msweo; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 03:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.82.145 with SMTP id o17mr104563wee.0.1301741493578; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 03:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.82.145 with SMTP id o17mr104562wee.0.1301741493560; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 03:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f170.google.com (mail-wy0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m32si863383wbm.0.2011.04.02.03.51.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 02 Apr 2011 03:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.170; Received: by mail-wy0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 34so7136067wyb.1 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 03:51:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.202.139 with SMTP id fe11mr1889769wbb.169.1301741492272; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 03:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.154.202 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 03:51:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <917139.16117.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <917139.16117.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:51:32 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) From: Cyril Slobin To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cyrilslobin@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cyril.slobin@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:41 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > "Experience good things". Note it is not an imperative nor a hortative or the like, > just a bare form floating around, just the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. In most situations people don't care about fine differences of imperative, hortative, optative and so on. The difference between the three rough classes ("statements", "commands" and "questions") is grammatical, but all the rest is in fact up to speaker. So the real convention here is to use "command", or "grammatical imperative", as the "extended vocative", and what exactly are you command/wish/urge/express a hope to your addressee is up to you too. "Grammatical imperative" need not to be associated with the evil sergeant giving you the commands. ;-) -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, `it means just what I choose it to mean' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.