From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDf8IztBBoE79nzHQ@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 11 10:20:48 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9Kn6-0003xE-Ud; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:48 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf7325963qwh.16 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=chiiKJKAuAcOn9pOTlGa03LLiXaQW7J8hSPQOT+BeZw=; b=2RcF8lMkOBiauabwz5lInhuWx4VtBYTIr0X1mjJhNtiAlngzbzmpeytKbFoZUYOSY6 4bkRm10VsNYNXRXduqwDOaxlg/oQQdVwgq9/PO4cFcTEryxjcetUsOIvq3Di5FeTNrQ3 xl2i3OK0Pe555D+RWqXXdktsIlHyeL12GVsKE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ywZDbNAsc3PWTV7jQh3QDaOo/iCRf46h5rmja2oI8MnjW6UTMdLsTlmkkwUwyT9Xhk Nhkor8dtxzL5HGT/gWxth7kPtk1IsEcw70xyaPTmUe7ICFMBCExkAgRyQEG4T3QEmKAU JbNFjAkJuZ0lXj68CQaM0dBPhBwcGSCamxhWM= Received: by 10.229.43.98 with SMTP id v34mr783436qce.36.1302542431520; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.229.132 with SMTP id ji4ls366637qcb.1.p; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.73.96 with SMTP id p32mr329486qcj.19.1302542430211; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.73.96 with SMTP id p32mr329485qcj.19.1302542430196; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f42.google.com (mail-qw0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o12si403265qcu.2.2011.04.11.10.20.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.42; Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4so5283370qwi.15 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.137.149 with SMTP id w21mr4424931qct.59.1302542429839; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.96.135 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:20:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <759730.3522.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Regularization From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : . > (also, I think you ciska in lojban. =A0If you're nu citka bau la lojban t= hen > your mom didn't teach you very good table manners =3Dp ) Yeah, yeah, ciska. Someday, maybe when I'm old and gray, I'll get that right (oh, wait. I am already gray. And OTOH, I still can't get my kids' names straight, either). Also, in my last sentence, I meant va'o, not va. Also, I should clarify that I didn't mean that I don't write. I DO write, but that I write in lojban. But if I write in English only, then setence is false. You can't disregard the bau la lojban part. The way I wrote it seems to imply that if you dropped the bau la lojban part, the senetnece would now be false. That isn't what I intended to say. --gejyspa > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> =A0I would argue (and my opinion isn't necessarily the "one true way", >> mind you) that yeah it makes a factual claim, as does the main bridi. >> (Although I might simply phrase it "Having a pet dinosaur,...." (e.g. >> "... I go through a lot of Bronto Chow in week") =A0In other words, I >> contend that with all BAI/FI'O constructions, you are making a factual >> claim. =A0"Mi citka bau la lojban" I am not just claiming that I write, >> but I'm writing in lojban. =A0Without the lojban part, the sentence just >> isn't true. =A0If I say "mi gunka ki'u lo nu mi nitcu lo jdini", if I >> don't need the money, the bridi is not true. =A0I am asserting "mi gunka >> .ije mi nitcu lo jdini". =A0"va'" is no different in this regard. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:05 AM, John E Clifford >> wrote: >> > Taking all that into account is {va'o lonu mi ponse lo dalpe'o dinsaur= u} >> > "Since >> > I have a pet dinosaur" or is it merely indeterminate as to the truth o= f >> > the >> > condition? >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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