From lojban+bncCJzE7b_XFxC0lo3tBBoEXmRjdQ@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 11 11:41:12 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9M2s-0006w0-U3; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:41:11 -0700 Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1sf10849978gyf.16 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TCel3ZoLohGkTFEGD3gAXcxnicsqY1e8izZrsWM3EvU=; b=sJgBOfCXR81xQiwYOTZF8vQIByTHy1otLiHw3Fy2aK+o/BwY2F5n5iFIoJem1f1d4O 03tpJM93vjftzirylUJ6auuyPhtJ/mOEA6c1tDtEpm/CP4vyjzsLk71CGHF2wAQfvBro xSCubkJ7ANAhXtrXEGn3UDKm5+s3uaA03RQrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vAhCurd2WhudgtDUGtn2FpLllfOaEmRJxw1fC/3KtIHm80eNAHuELzAQohNj5SeqTH NrlajJMg76sqE9n34vhEA5itrDEWFiNiS4ph5EFG1BA1hrNXdampWxmAyxds8loaZ2kQ MkLDUCyBVXR0akQnm92Zcjbbhr8ypeH+53nuM= Received: by 10.91.106.10 with SMTP id i10mr887337agm.20.1302547252943; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.49.1 with SMTP id b1ls934316agk.6.p; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.8.12 with SMTP id l12mr871773agi.16.1302547252232; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by l11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:40:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 128.42.221.67 References: <3f9f6be2-a506-4bd6-b5d3-60d486b71db5@k30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/10.0.648.204 Safari/534.16,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Class at Rice University From: djandus To: lojban X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable doi Jonathan, I'm going to look into video equipment... that would be very excellent, if I could get it set up! Very excellent idea :) And of course I'd overlook the obvious choice! I'll definitely use lojban.org for the course materials! On Apr 10, 2:19=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Ah, I did think of one suggestion: record the lectures and post them on > YouTube. I'm certain the in-class videos would be useful to others. > > As for a place to put stuff, lojban.org is an obvious choice. You can eit= her > use the wiki, which can be modified by anyone, or if you want some other > interface, you can talk to Robin about the details. > > doi Robin, you are still the one that maintains lojban.org, yes? > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM, djandus wrote: > > I happen to have a number of friends who have already requested the > > same thing, which is partly why I want to have everything done online. > > (The other reason being: who likes all that paper stuff anyway?) So, > > as it stands, I would have everything that would be covered in class > > available online for anyone for certain. The exercises that would be > > completed through Owlspace I will have to put a little extra effort > > into releasing on a schedule, but I'm sure I can work it out. (It's > > not that I'm afraid of students knowing how to do assignments before > > they have to do them -- as I mentioned before, the grades don't matter > > very much. Really, I'm afraid of students being scared off by seeing a > > huge document of assignments.) > > > I certainly want this to be something that others can study along with > > from anywhere, following along as it continues in the fall. (I've > > already started typing up a bit of an introduction, where I explain > > how if you're reading this info and you're not in my class, try to > > keep to a 14-week schedule, and try to get a partner to learn with, to > > practice conversation.) > > > Exactly where all this information will reside is a little up in the > > air, but I'm fairly certain I get a webpage as a Rice student that I > > can use for this purpose. Basically, I'll just double all of the > > information online as it runs in the classroom. > > > Speaking of all of this, I forgot to mention that I am relatively > > proficient in typing with LaTeX, (through LyX, with some direct TeX > > code experience) as one maybe can tell from the Table of Contents I > > linked to. So, I hope to have all of my lesson plans detailed in there > > in a way that as I teach a class, anyone can go straight to a document > > and read what I taught. > > > --djandus > > > On Apr 10, 3:11 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Well, I can only think of two things to say: First, Right On! That's = just > > > freaking awesome that someone going to be teaching Lojban at a > > university. > > > Second, I humbly request that you make as much of the materials you u= se > > > available to non-Rice Lojban students as well, because the more good > > > learning resources our nintadni have, the better. > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, djandus wrote: > > > > coi rodo > > > > > So, I am Joe Anderson, an undergraduate at Rice, and am planning on > > > > teaching a class on Lojban in the fall. > > > > (http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main? > > > > p_action=3DCOURSE&p_crn=3D16915&p_term=3D201210) > > > > > I know a lot about Lojban, but I'm going to have to work like crazy= to > > > > put this together, especially over the summer. I originally learned > > > > Lojban through Lojban for Beginners, about 3 years ago. I have star= ted > > > > visiting the IRC only recently, learning a lot about how the langua= ge > > > > has been changing in Lojbanistan since that teaching aid was create= d. > > > > I've been playing around with many other teaching aids, especially > > > > Anki, and have many ideas for how to structure the class. I've also > > > > been working closely with a French professor here who studies teach= ing > > > > languages in general. With her help, I've already made a pretty > > > > accurate table of contents for the course, which I have uploaded he= re: > > > >http://jandew.ersoft.org/lojban/contents.pdf > > > > My main objectives are to teach proficiency in conversation and cov= er > > > > the grammar of approximately half of Lojban for Beginners. From my > > > > table of contents, you can note that this entails teaching everythi= ng > > > > up to tenses, where including the last chapter in my lesson plans i= s > > > > entirely up to how much lesson time I have. As for the time I have, > > > > I'm given a one-hour class a week for 14 weeks. My plan is to have = as > > > > much talking as possible in class, with vocabulary and exercises be= ing > > > > covered outside of class. To do that, I'm wanting to write up > > > > exercises that can be completed online (I'm currently investigating > > > > how much I can do with Owlspace) and require students to use Anki a= nd > > > > somehow turn in their study results. (I know Anki keeps track of th= at > > > > very well.) There's obviously a lot of parts to this, but with > > > > everything so primordial, here's what I'd love to have help with: > > > > =A0 Lesson plans: > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0The theory behind ordering the courses as I have, making= sure > > > > the general plans are good > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0What I'll be covering in class, how to keep students on = their > > > > toes > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0Exercises to give outside of class, creative assignments > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0The vocabulary I will cover -- how much per week, what o= rder, > > > > etc. > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0Any ideas about study materials -- I'm going to keep it = simple, > > > > with vocabulary in one place, (Anki,) and other exercises in anothe= r. > > > > (online, probably Owlspace) If anyone has interesting ideas on cool > > > > study materials I could put it, I'd love to try to fit it in > > > > somewhere. > > > > =A0 I also need support in teaching me -- I need to get more profic= ient > > > > in speaking Lojban in the areas I will be teaching. I am not lackin= g > > > > so much in the concepts as the vocabulary. I want to get the studen= ts > > > > used to Lojban conversation, and I'm still not used to it, yet! > > > > =A0 There is a strong possibility that I can organize one day to ha= ve a > > > > computer lab trip for a videoconference with other Lojbanists! I th= ink > > > > this would be a really fun way to end things, making sure that the > > > > students get connected with Lojbanistan. Any interested in helping > > > > with that may need to do the same as I, practicing conversation wit= h > > > > the basic tools I will end up teaching over the semester. > > > > =A0 One day must be spent "outside of class" as a requirement for > > > > student-taught courses at Rice. Ideas for this are welcome -- right > > > > now, the best I've got is something like a scavenger hunt on campus= . > > > > (note that with a videoconference and a day-outside-of-class, that > > > > means I really only have 12 weeks of class that I can count on) > > > > =A0 Any suggestions on communication. Right now, I'm only really > > > > accustomed to email and the IRC. This is my first post on the maili= ng > > > > list. I have browsed around a lot on lojban.org, but there's a lot = of > > > > information there, and if anyone recognizes some great online resou= rce > > > > for anything, even talking about this, (in case this discussion > > > > clutters up the mailing list or something,) then feel free to speak= up > > > > about it. > > > > =A0 I happen to know how to program in python, and I've been workin= g on > > > > a few study programs to help, say, learn the numbers. I'd love peop= le > > > > to help suggest improvements for those as well, as I write them. > > > > > In working through this, I will for certain be able to have the > > > > resources associated with Owlspace, which basically entails easy > > > > communication with students and ability to have assignments on ther= e, > > > > in a variety of ways. I will be investigating its capabilities as s= oon > > > > as possible. I probably will have access to it after Fall > > > > Registration, which begins tomorrow. I will also start getting numb= ers > > > > of people signed up for the course then. For those eager to learn m= ore > > > > about that resource: > > > >https://owlspace-ccm.rice.edu/portal/site/!gateway/page/!gateway-300 > > > > I may end up also having access to the the Language Resource Center= on > > > > campus, which means computer lab access with built-in speaking > > > > capabilities and any associated online resources. This means I coul= d > > > > give assignments with audio or video interaction -- things which ma= y > > > > not exist yet for Lojban. (These resources are normally used in way= s > > > > like having a test with the last question being "Speak for at least > > > > one minute about {your family..., what you do on the weekend..., > > > > etc.}" or giving an assignment where students watch a video of a > > > > weatherman speaking and then answer questions about the weather.) > > > > These sorts of assignments/tests can be given online, if necessary.= I > > > > might be able to have Anki installed in the lab in a lojban folder,= so > > > > that students have access to it there, etc. > > > > > Oh, and I need to explain student-taught courses! So, at Rice, they > > > > work like this: it's counted as a one-credit course, as well as bei= ng > > > > a special type of pass-fail, called satisfactory-unsatisfactory, wh= ere > > > > the difference is in how GPA is calculated. Basically, this all mea= ns > > > > that even though I will have to have grades and whatnot, the grade > > > > will be rather unimportant. As a con, students will be rather > > > > unmotivated by bad grades. As a pro, the students who sign up will > > > > probably be extremely motivated by desire to learn the language > > > > itself. So, I can actually put very little focus on grading. (Also, > > > > note that at Rice it's really common for students to change around > > > > their schedule quite a lot for the first two weeks. I've been > > > > factoring that in to exactly how my lesson plans will work.) > > > > > Many of my plans are very flexible, so I'm welcoming as many > > > > criticisms and new ideas as possible right now. For now, I think > > > > that's best done through this mailing list, but I'm sure people wil= l > > > > eventually need my direct email address: > > > > jandew+loj...@gmail.com > > > > (don't worry about cluttering my email -- gmail will tag anything y= ou > > > > send to the > > ... > > read more =BB --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.