From lojban+bncCInp-JKFDRD90JLtBBoEu2uHeQ@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 12 12:31:33 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9jJ5-0006SZ-QQ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:31:32 -0700 Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19sf12453644yie.16 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:31:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-via:x-http-useragent:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AUKfdOFTbDZ94qzvNm7pXX1UshrCRUQPTZ3DqCzkfAE=; b=BVeMnXbdslpHe6vOn/p3NSQlstoWrmi0LZ8yFjkLV8x/Z3t4aEYvwjDTaPsFqcUbRI OCOgfVdAHRUbidvR1ZTMloeOYe1kSUnhredYtWrNnhy0HIG8MQKlaMHTbKIJBxdoGTEp 3zSWvY7nPWP9C5UeAbZY4uRsJt6R8vCCNLfmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-via:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=mQXKu9sOPaOllWt6mspYJjBq4WW6DeEvw2Bjza+Gk9mpGuhyTBpfeNuvr8Vg94IOUt LU3v/kcYb+hQait48HRdxlfqp2rtjgB1Xo9oWJwarrEdBk+roxTFKn1QUwPsp7c+torz 5QP5xXw3ED2X9ZcRgkvGYzzsO+9usrQR+nMys= Received: by 10.90.125.6 with SMTP id x6mr1042688agc.43.1302636669096; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.228.9 with SMTP id a9ls5625074ybh.6.p; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.144.134 with SMTP id n6mr1598291yhj.49.1302636668252; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.127.19 with SMTP id e19msybn; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.4.24 with SMTP id g24mr642305agi.9.1302630544628; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by d11g2000yqo.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 206.193.234.147 References: <3f9f6be2-a506-4bd6-b5d3-60d486b71db5@k30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 pkmjsrv08.pkmj:3128 (squid/2.6.STABLE21) X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/534.28 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/12.0.725.0 Safari/534.28,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Class at Rice University From: attunezero To: lojban X-Original-Sender: andrew.morsillo@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having your lectures on youtube would be incredibly helpful! That is exactly the kind of learning resource that I (and I assume others as well) have been looking for since I discovered that Lojban existed. I really hope that you are successful in this project! On Apr 11, 2:40=A0pm, djandus wrote: > doi Jonathan, > I'm going to look into video equipment... that would be very > excellent, if I could get it set up! Very excellent idea :) > > And of course I'd overlook the obvious choice! I'll definitely use > lojban.org for the course materials! > > On Apr 10, 2:19=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah, I did think of one suggestion: record the lectures and post them on > > YouTube. I'm certain the in-class videos would be useful to others. > > > As for a place to put stuff, lojban.org is an obvious choice. You can e= ither > > use the wiki, which can be modified by anyone, or if you want some othe= r > > interface, you can talk to Robin about the details. > > > doi Robin, you are still the one that maintains lojban.org, yes? > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM, djandus wrote: > > > I happen to have a number of friends who have already requested the > > > same thing, which is partly why I want to have everything done online= . > > > (The other reason being: who likes all that paper stuff anyway?) So, > > > as it stands, I would have everything that would be covered in class > > > available online for anyone for certain. The exercises that would be > > > completed through Owlspace I will have to put a little extra effort > > > into releasing on a schedule, but I'm sure I can work it out. (It's > > > not that I'm afraid of students knowing how to do assignments before > > > they have to do them -- as I mentioned before, the grades don't matte= r > > > very much. Really, I'm afraid of students being scared off by seeing = a > > > huge document of assignments.) > > > > I certainly want this to be something that others can study along wit= h > > > from anywhere, following along as it continues in the fall. (I've > > > already started typing up a bit of an introduction, where I explain > > > how if you're reading this info and you're not in my class, try to > > > keep to a 14-week schedule, and try to get a partner to learn with, t= o > > > practice conversation.) > > > > Exactly where all this information will reside is a little up in the > > > air, but I'm fairly certain I get a webpage as a Rice student that I > > > can use for this purpose. Basically, I'll just double all of the > > > information online as it runs in the classroom. > > > > Speaking of all of this, I forgot to mention that I am relatively > > > proficient in typing with LaTeX, (through LyX, with some direct TeX > > > code experience) as one maybe can tell from the Table of Contents I > > > linked to. So, I hope to have all of my lesson plans detailed in ther= e > > > in a way that as I teach a class, anyone can go straight to a documen= t > > > and read what I taught. > > > > --djandus > > > > On Apr 10, 3:11 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > Well, I can only think of two things to say: First, Right On! That'= s just > > > > freaking awesome that someone going to be teaching Lojban at a > > > university. > > > > Second, I humbly request that you make as much of the materials you= use > > > > available to non-Rice Lojban students as well, because the more goo= d > > > > learning resources our nintadni have, the better. > > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, djandus wrote: > > > > > coi rodo > > > > > > So, I am Joe Anderson, an undergraduate at Rice, and am planning = on > > > > > teaching a class on Lojban in the fall. > > > > > (http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main? > > > > > p_action=3DCOURSE&p_crn=3D16915&p_term=3D201210) > > > > > > I know a lot about Lojban, but I'm going to have to work like cra= zy to > > > > > put this together, especially over the summer. I originally learn= ed > > > > > Lojban through Lojban for Beginners, about 3 years ago. I have st= arted > > > > > visiting the IRC only recently, learning a lot about how the lang= uage > > > > > has been changing in Lojbanistan since that teaching aid was crea= ted. > > > > > I've been playing around with many other teaching aids, especiall= y > > > > > Anki, and have many ideas for how to structure the class. I've al= so > > > > > been working closely with a French professor here who studies tea= ching > > > > > languages in general. With her help, I've already made a pretty > > > > > accurate table of contents for the course, which I have uploaded = here: > > > > >http://jandew.ersoft.org/lojban/contents.pdf > > > > > My main objectives are to teach proficiency in conversation and c= over > > > > > the grammar of approximately half of Lojban for Beginners. From m= y > > > > > table of contents, you can note that this entails teaching everyt= hing > > > > > up to tenses, where including the last chapter in my lesson plans= is > > > > > entirely up to how much lesson time I have. As for the time I hav= e, > > > > > I'm given a one-hour class a week for 14 weeks. My plan is to hav= e as > > > > > much talking as possible in class, with vocabulary and exercises = being > > > > > covered outside of class. To do that, I'm wanting to write up > > > > > exercises that can be completed online (I'm currently investigati= ng > > > > > how much I can do with Owlspace) and require students to use Anki= and > > > > > somehow turn in their study results. (I know Anki keeps track of = that > > > > > very well.) There's obviously a lot of parts to this, but with > > > > > everything so primordial, here's what I'd love to have help with: > > > > > =A0 Lesson plans: > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0The theory behind ordering the courses as I have, maki= ng sure > > > > > the general plans are good > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0What I'll be covering in class, how to keep students o= n their > > > > > toes > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0Exercises to give outside of class, creative assignmen= ts > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0The vocabulary I will cover -- how much per week, what= order, > > > > > etc. > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0Any ideas about study materials -- I'm going to keep i= t simple, > > > > > with vocabulary in one place, (Anki,) and other exercises in anot= her. > > > > > (online, probably Owlspace) If anyone has interesting ideas on co= ol > > > > > study materials I could put it, I'd love to try to fit it in > > > > > somewhere. > > > > > =A0 I also need support in teaching me -- I need to get more prof= icient > > > > > in speaking Lojban in the areas I will be teaching. I am not lack= ing > > > > > so much in the concepts as the vocabulary. I want to get the stud= ents > > > > > used to Lojban conversation, and I'm still not used to it, yet! > > > > > =A0 There is a strong possibility that I can organize one day to = have a > > > > > computer lab trip for a videoconference with other Lojbanists! I = think > > > > > this would be a really fun way to end things, making sure that th= e > > > > > students get connected with Lojbanistan. Any interested in helpin= g > > > > > with that may need to do the same as I, practicing conversation w= ith > > > > > the basic tools I will end up teaching over the semester. > > > > > =A0 One day must be spent "outside of class" as a requirement for > > > > > student-taught courses at Rice. Ideas for this are welcome -- rig= ht > > > > > now, the best I've got is something like a scavenger hunt on camp= us. > > > > > (note that with a videoconference and a day-outside-of-class, tha= t > > > > > means I really only have 12 weeks of class that I can count on) > > > > > =A0 Any suggestions on communication. Right now, I'm only really > > > > > accustomed to email and the IRC. This is my first post on the mai= ling > > > > > list. I have browsed around a lot on lojban.org, but there's a lo= t of > > > > > information there, and if anyone recognizes some great online res= ource > > > > > for anything, even talking about this, (in case this discussion > > > > > clutters up the mailing list or something,) then feel free to spe= ak up > > > > > about it. > > > > > =A0 I happen to know how to program in python, and I've been work= ing on > > > > > a few study programs to help, say, learn the numbers. I'd love pe= ople > > > > > to help suggest improvements for those as well, as I write them. > > > > > > In working through this, I will for certain be able to have the > > > > > resources associated with Owlspace, which basically entails easy > > > > > communication with students and ability to have assignments on th= ere, > > > > > in a variety of ways. I will be investigating its capabilities as= soon > > > > > as possible. I probably will have access to it after Fall > > > > > Registration, which begins tomorrow. I will also start getting nu= mbers > > > > > of people signed up for the course then. For those eager to learn= more > > > > > about that resource: > > > > >https://owlspace-ccm.rice.edu/portal/site/!gateway/page/!gateway-3= 00 > > > > > I may end up also having access to the the Language Resource Cent= er on > > > > > campus, which means computer lab access with built-in speaking > > > > > capabilities and any associated online resources. This means I co= uld > > > > > give assignments with audio or video interaction -- things which = may > > > > > not exist yet for Lojban. (These resources are normally used in w= ays > > > > > like having a test with the last question being "Speak for at lea= st > > > > > one minute about {your family..., what you do on the weekend..., > > > > > etc.}" or giving an assignment where students watch a video of a > > > > > weatherman speaking and then answer questions about the weather.) > > > > > These sorts of assignments/tests can be given online, if necessar= y. I > > > > > might be able to have Anki installed in the lab in a lojban folde= r, so > > > > > that students have access to it there, etc. > > > > > > Oh, and I need to explain student-taught courses! So, at Rice, th= ey > > > > > work like this: it's counted as a one-credit course, as well as b= eing > > > > > a special type of pass-fail, called satisfactory-unsatisfactory, = where > > > > > the difference is in how GPA is calculated. Basically, this all m= eans > > > > > that even though I will have to have grades and whatnot, the grad= e > > > > > will be rather unimportant. As a con, students will be rather > > > > > unmotivated by bad grades. As a pro, the students who sign up wil= l... > > read more =BB --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.