From lojban+bncCO33r5rzBBDx8JbtBBoE2IyWcA@googlegroups.com Wed Apr 13 07:51:49 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QA1Px-0006bR-V9; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:51:49 -0700 Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1sf609211gyf.16 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jiO295JPUNRRVfWPk/DXVZWrqHKZdXKyRFbyeUP9QGY=; b=i38cRdslmXxQv4L1d6/yOfvKxjifgzSoBBJTDj9xxq3R2U4Vei6suzrp41mswTHHuO iAFuIVUk6b5s3/MfwqSCKMcZFFH53cFdu96+lW7iA//yQAeXR8kdaEysaD7En3IFZBId Fu4w8I2SMASZb0ZQSfTldl/F6MlFoM5aTgbic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LSUphpwIiq0AMKssC2fNoqtAiWHkAW50AdplOOHCy5COPU0LBdd32AxOV3NUrBRvIv bL56fXKSetKHfRc682WloM3i8nmB8nhbkRVICQ9r9ACCXtC1sIkZR62PsTuDfrUALSIw RL4KGgn7gj/A4/kXWIFXIB7O/AVFRvxING35U= Received: by 10.150.135.20 with SMTP id i20mr95343ybd.50.1302706289651; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.150.6 with SMTP id c6ls6289771ybo.3.p; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.91.108 with SMTP id g72mr1466354yhf.48.1302706288958; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.127.19 with SMTP id e19msybn; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:21:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.194.16 with SMTP id r16mr1309305wff.29.1302679229252; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:20:29 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 65.25.195.234 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <57ede063-dfb3-4d0a-949d-27c8633c14a9@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] New beginner From: "kail." To: lojban X-Original-Sender: kinpopdj@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 coi I have just started to learn about lojban. As of now, I have read all of "What is Lojban" and am making my way through the reference grammar. I am very interested in this language for multiple reasons: logicalness, well laid out grammar, and spelling (having had to change some of this post because I couldn't remember how to spell a few words and was too annoyed to get out my dictionary). I wanted to share a lojbanic experience that I had today. I was digging around the website and came across the FAQ which contained a section "I don't speak English" when I noticed that in addition to Spanish and others, a response was also in lojban. Having just started to come to terms with the basics of the language and considering it a challenge, I grabed a notebook and pen and along with the online dictionary, set out on my first lojban journey; what I found was extremely entertaining and witty. Here is the kicker: I tried to write an English translation of this little quip but found it increasingly hard to put into a grammatically correct English sentence. Having studied Spanish before, I'm used to being able to describe things differently and more effectively in one language over the other but was never so marveled by no matter what I tried, the original lojban seemed to be better than what ever I could muster. Have you guys had other experiences of this nature; finding it hard to put things into your native tongue? Looking forward to more learning, kail. co'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.