From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhC6saHtBBoEplrOmA@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 15 07:40:11 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QAkBr-0001Cn-9j; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:40:11 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf3207134qwh.16 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:40:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MEOIA7ei2ayi53lxgjpKBu6nUIvRm+xbiDYiLLKC0LI=; b=BsrtD9V4ay7MbfMhoepR2ScWHIxbJtlOI0M31u0R85yNLgQwhf6DwclYwnnQM9SdaK onwX4oMyKVVYQPpPC+9inde3FbaYOesZh3V5cf63w7rCK98VFwD9Hqm2nm6gvYTihqaU MQAgrSofhBEAhSIvJmLQF3uVnYwhUgtnma3dg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ZHR4bxcq2ngRQWA34XdqT2dRztsoOL4qi8TZm2nKL84doai8gXgkc6uQwVBGT2OrJy LueM0nbCQddoGJWoBNrOBDD36/b9o52SHTQS7Hy7sWj0SICNZLR5bi+bsFPuczU19GDw j0uAwc6kFVhkpntiVdUjpSom6kXSqTKGyiGNM= Received: by 10.229.75.201 with SMTP id z9mr173672qcj.46.1302878394965; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.205.76 with SMTP id fp12ls166614qcb.0.gmail; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.73.96 with SMTP id p32mr153593qcj.19.1302878394338; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.73.96 with SMTP id p32mr153592qcj.19.1302878394291; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com (mail-qy0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o12si628571qcu.10.2011.04.15.07.39.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.170; Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so4713180qyk.15 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.136.208 with SMTP id s16mr1550308qct.134.1302878393146; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.70 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:39:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] selbri lo TAG sumti From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess, if I am reading you correctly, you can certainly do that. But it's really not all that complicated. Take these examples from the CLL: le ratcu cu citka le cirla vi le vu panka The rat eats the cheese [short distance] the [long distance] park The rat eats the cheese near the faraway park. (10.12.4) lo ca nolraitru be le fasygu'e cu na krecau The-actual present noblest-governor of the French country [false] is-hair-without. The current king of France isn't bald. (15.2.6) "lo TAG sumti" means nothing more or less like any other sumti, "X du lo broda" -> "X broda" "X du lo TAG broda" -> "X TAG broda" The tag (selbri tcita) comes along ("tags along" :-) with the selbri. So when you say "mi bai klama ti", you have no problem with that, right? "I was forced to come here". So you are a "forced-to-come" thing, with destination here. So when I say "lo bai klama cu tordu", it just means the "forced-to-come thing" is short. --gejyspa On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Earlier I found a bridi of this form and upon being confused by it, I did > some googleing and found this > thread:=A0http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/488b= 2cb9a22bb9d3 > Low and behold, this topic has confused me before. =A0For simplicity sake= , (I > know it's not technically=A0equivalent), could I read {broda lo TAG brode= } as > {broda lo brode (oh and lo brode is TAG to something in the way that caku > makes a bridi "ca" to "something")}? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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