From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCOuqHtBBoEBsfRyw@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 15 08:00:21 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QAkUh-0003nV-Na; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:00:21 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf2850787wya.16 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=94o5SjV2PWRFcWFv6A7ETEjgYwoZD3kl/uHs4osLhzE=; b=5O7LJfhj9q6aE0NgGuAQOU+jSWqSyf/bXm5mdBTfBpw4FeeUiInQvnapIS2GYms8/Y 6nGufJ2V1MX+clSErDm1fEXIAgoOxgKPV0d7VgXxIEp/qNMAMDcdkJ1IxRO29FNIHpJY KU7q0dkDoNV/6pqSg3jU4nxK55wp6pTFjQPqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jFPJdG5jFPV3xWNVxI0A68qAgQhNFTznBrVGJD8/b5SCcR7jMXpWKDLfK4ESPChQJ4 OgX3yp9sCDMOzJIP1li7nok6NkWZiqhVQ+rLdnoOlfu67ixRX7GSX1WMhAvaXd29PwBT Xx8J1sByluJSxIM6HAiCy/DTFDssCo/Rk1Ydc= Received: by 10.216.142.155 with SMTP id i27mr1839798wej.1.1302879502513; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.11.92 with SMTP id 68ls55443eew.4.gmail; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.10.100 with SMTP id 76mr179031eeu.21.1302879500520; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.10.100 with SMTP id 76mr179030eeu.21.1302879500483; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f50.google.com (mail-ew0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s53si879998eeh.5.2011.04.15.07.58.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so916560ewy.37 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.33.143 with SMTP id h15mr2986703ebd.22.1302879500131; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.31.144 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:58:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] selbri lo TAG sumti To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c104eca5ebe04a0f645db --0015174c104eca5ebe04a0f645db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, that makes sense. I think the heart of my confusion started when I learned BAI and thought "oh, so it's like FA". So that lead me into thoughts like "what in the hell is {lo fa gerku}". But I think I've got it now (for the time being) ;p ki'e gejyspa On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > I guess, if I am reading you correctly, you can certainly do that. > But it's really not all that complicated. Take these examples from > the CLL: > le ratcu cu citka le cirla > vi le vu panka > The rat eats the cheese > [short distance] the [long distance] park > The rat eats the cheese near the faraway park. > (10.12.4) > > lo ca nolraitru > be le fasygu'e cu na krecau > The-actual present noblest-governor > of the French country [false] is-hair-without. > The current king of France isn't bald. > (15.2.6) > > "lo TAG sumti" means nothing more or less like any other sumti, "X > du lo broda" -> "X broda" "X du lo TAG broda" -> "X TAG broda" The > tag (selbri tcita) comes along ("tags along" :-) with the selbri. So > when you say "mi bai klama ti", you have no problem with that, right? > "I was forced to come here". So you are a "forced-to-come" thing, > with destination here. So when I say "lo bai klama cu tordu", it just > means the "forced-to-come thing" is short. > > --gejyspa > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > Earlier I found a bridi of this form and upon being confused by it, I did > > some googleing and found this > > thread: > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/488b2cb9a22bb9d3 > > Low and behold, this topic has confused me before. For simplicity sake, > (I > > know it's not technically equivalent), could I read {broda lo TAG brode} > as > > {broda lo brode (oh and lo brode is TAG to something in the way that caku > > makes a bridi "ca" to "something")}? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015174c104eca5ebe04a0f645db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, that makes sense. =A0I think the heart of my confusion started when I l= earned BAI and thought "oh, so it's like FA". =A0So that lead= me into thoughts like "what in the hell is {lo fa gerku}". =A0Bu= t I think I've got it now (for the time being) ;p

ki'e gejyspa

On Fri, A= pr 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrot= e:
=A0I guess, if I am reading you correctly,= you can certainly do that.
But it's really not all that complicated. =A0Take these examples from the CLL:
le ratcu cu citka le cirla
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0vi le vu panka
=A0 =A0The rat eats the cheese
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[short distance] the [long distance] park
=A0 =A0The rat eats the cheese near the faraway park.
(10.12.4)

=A0lo ca nolraitru
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0be le fasygu'e cu na krecau
=A0 =A0The-actual present noblest-governor
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0of the French country [false] is-hair-without.
=A0 =A0The current king of France isn't bald.
(15.2.6)

=A0"lo TAG sumti" means nothing more or less like any other sumt= i, "X
du lo broda" -> "X broda" =A0"X du lo TAG broda"= ; -> "X TAG broda" =A0The
tag (selbri tcita) comes along ("tags along" :-) with the selbri.= =A0So
when you say "mi bai klama ti", you have no problem with that, ri= ght?
"I was forced to come here". =A0So you are a "forced-to-come= " thing,
with destination here. =A0So when I say "lo bai klama cu tordu", = it just
means the "forced-to-come thing" is short.

=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Earlier I found a bridi of this form and upon being confused by it, I = did
> some googleing and found this
> thread:=A0http://groups.google.com/grou= p/lojban/browse_thread/thread/488b2cb9a22bb9d3
> Low and behold, this topic has confused me before. =A0For simplicity s= ake, (I
> know it's not technically=A0equivalent), could I read {broda lo TA= G brode} as
> {broda lo brode (oh and lo brode is TAG to something in the way that c= aku
> makes a bridi "ca" to "something")}?
>
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