From lojban+bncCJzE7b_XFxDkj7LtBBoE9qApkA@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 18 11:50:57 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QBtWj-00081Q-G3; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:56 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf2225481pvc.16 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8AtHgT59z2riV9QJ7KlgEkAFBCzakYcYjWMTsVZTZiY=; b=6UJxSZ6O/t1VxFks2+7zaTz/lnfnhma/v6H1kT6V8aJsH1PuCUUFjkvkeanx0bKxSn wuxViCcpQhpPkxykvphNdU58EpeaNWvBPJd+RovPd/WFumkyvCreO70A4MTSH7mSg/9W JmO9wpZqEVFf5In1ByKFIR1yQ4qw1EE+449xE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=iuY32AR3Eiv8iGqXCppFiuMgEt+LK1+VFPFYHOBw46U0rpZ3WaTXtS/6lm7qMzoVmN OEg+2bB4tK+eaRLAi6hY49GXTq0go3qeWpknHyvM7rjZeICijzkFf1XXSFwspusv9100 lc1C3SAOaUygtegd54MTZIoZUFRa0IAB7/DcE= Received: by 10.142.248.28 with SMTP id v28mr554232wfh.9.1303152612921; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.87.9 with SMTP id p9ls92832wfl.3.gmail; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.131.6 with SMTP id e6mr549812wfd.12.1303152611286; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 128.42.220.185 References: <3f9f6be2-a506-4bd6-b5d3-60d486b71db5@k30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <54f0dd40-25a9-4429-bf0d-5d90f3f0a7da@y31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/10.0.648.205 Safari/534.16,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <1e510c06-e8db-4a5b-b273-8669ec8fdac1@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Class at Rice University From: djandus To: lojban X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone willing to discuss the structure/pedagogy of the course could email me at , that'd be fantastic. I'd definitely like to be bouncing ideas around for that as soon as possible. Also, another idea to bounce around is this: I was thinking about whether this would be an interesting opportunity for seeing how quickly people pick up on the vocabulary. I was already planning on gathering weekly stats from my students so that I could emphasize trouble words in class, but if every lojbanist following along kept track as well, the total data might be useful... somehow... Thoughts? djandus On Apr 14, 11:42=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Sweet! > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:32 PM, djandus wrote: > > Excellent news! I am definitely able to record the lectures! So, > > that's all set :) > > > Also, I happened to meet one of my future students while looking > > around for a video camera I could use, and he'll help out with any of > > that as needed! > > > Also also, expect me on the IRC sometime over the weekend... > > > .uicai .i co'o > > > On Apr 12, 12:49 pm, attunezero wrote: > > > Having your lectures on youtube would be incredibly helpful! That is > > > exactly the kind of learning resource that I (and I assume others as > > > well) have been looking for since I discovered that Lojban existed. I > > > really hope that you are successful in this project! > > > > On Apr 11, 2:40 pm, djandus wrote: > > > > > doi Jonathan, > > > > I'm going to look into video equipment... that would be very > > > > excellent, if I could get it set up! Very excellent idea :) > > > > > And of course I'd overlook the obvious choice! I'll definitely use > > > > lojban.org for the course materials! > > > > > On Apr 10, 2:19 pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > > > Ah, I did think of one suggestion: record the lectures and post t= hem > > on > > > > > YouTube. I'm certain the in-class videos would be useful to other= s. > > > > > > As for a place to put stuff, lojban.org is an obvious choice. You > > can either > > > > > use the wiki, which can be modified by anyone, or if you want som= e > > other > > > > > interface, you can talk to Robin about the details. > > > > > > doi Robin, you are still the one that maintains lojban.org, yes? > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM, djandus wrot= e: > > > > > > I happen to have a number of friends who have already requested= the > > > > > > same thing, which is partly why I want to have everything done > > online. > > > > > > (The other reason being: who likes all that paper stuff anyway?= ) > > So, > > > > > > as it stands, I would have everything that would be covered in > > class > > > > > > available online for anyone for certain. The exercises that wou= ld > > be > > > > > > completed through Owlspace I will have to put a little extra ef= fort > > > > > > into releasing on a schedule, but I'm sure I can work it out. (= It's > > > > > > not that I'm afraid of students knowing how to do assignments > > before > > > > > > they have to do them -- as I mentioned before, the grades don't > > matter > > > > > > very much. Really, I'm afraid of students being scared off by > > seeing a > > > > > > huge document of assignments.) > > > > > > > I certainly want this to be something that others can study alo= ng > > with > > > > > > from anywhere, following along as it continues in the fall. (I'= ve > > > > > > already started typing up a bit of an introduction, where I exp= lain > > > > > > how if you're reading this info and you're not in my class, try= to > > > > > > keep to a 14-week schedule, and try to get a partner to learn w= ith, > > to > > > > > > practice conversation.) > > > > > > > Exactly where all this information will reside is a little up i= n > > the > > > > > > air, but I'm fairly certain I get a webpage as a Rice student t= hat > > I > > > > > > can use for this purpose. Basically, I'll just double all of th= e > > > > > > information online as it runs in the classroom. > > > > > > > Speaking of all of this, I forgot to mention that I am relative= ly > > > > > > proficient in typing with LaTeX, (through LyX, with some direct= TeX > > > > > > code experience) as one maybe can tell from the Table of Conten= ts I > > > > > > linked to. So, I hope to have all of my lesson plans detailed i= n > > there > > > > > > in a way that as I teach a class, anyone can go straight to a > > document > > > > > > and read what I taught. > > > > > > > --djandus > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 3:11 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I can only think of two things to say: First, Right On! > > That's just > > > > > > > freaking awesome that someone going to be teaching Lojban at = a > > > > > > university. > > > > > > > Second, I humbly request that you make as much of the materia= ls > > you use > > > > > > > available to non-Rice Lojban students as well, because the mo= re > > good > > > > > > > learning resources our nintadni have, the better. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, djandus > > wrote: > > > > > > > > coi rodo > > > > > > > > > So, I am Joe Anderson, an undergraduate at Rice, and am > > planning on > > > > > > > > teaching a class on Lojban in the fall. > > > > > > > > (http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main? > > > > > > > > p_action=3DCOURSE&p_crn=3D16915&p_term=3D201210) > > > > > > > > > I know a lot about Lojban, but I'm going to have to work li= ke > > crazy to > > > > > > > > put this together, especially over the summer. I originally > > learned > > > > > > > > Lojban through Lojban for Beginners, about 3 years ago. I h= ave > > started > > > > > > > > visiting the IRC only recently, learning a lot about how th= e > > language > > > > > > > > has been changing in Lojbanistan since that teaching aid wa= s > > created. > > > > > > > > I've been playing around with many other teaching aids, > > especially > > > > > > > > Anki, and have many ideas for how to structure the class. I= 've > > also > > > > > > > > been working closely with a French professor here who studi= es > > teaching > > > > > > > > languages in general. With her help, I've already made a pr= etty > > > > > > > > accurate table of contents for the course, which I have > > uploaded here: > > > > > > > >http://jandew.ersoft.org/lojban/contents.pdf > > > > > > > > My main objectives are to teach proficiency in conversation= and > > cover > > > > > > > > the grammar of approximately half of Lojban for Beginners. = From > > my > > > > > > > > table of contents, you can note that this entails teaching > > everything > > > > > > > > up to tenses, where including the last chapter in my lesson > > plans is > > > > > > > > entirely up to how much lesson time I have. As for the time= I > > have, > > > > > > > > I'm given a one-hour class a week for 14 weeks. My plan is = to > > have as > > > > > > > > much talking as possible in class, with vocabulary and > > exercises being > > > > > > > > covered outside of class. To do that, I'm wanting to write = up > > > > > > > > exercises that can be completed online (I'm currently > > investigating > > > > > > > > how much I can do with Owlspace) and require students to us= e > > Anki and > > > > > > > > somehow turn in their study results. (I know Anki keeps tra= ck > > of that > > > > > > > > very well.) There's obviously a lot of parts to this, but w= ith > > > > > > > > everything so primordial, here's what I'd love to have help > > with: > > > > > > > > =A0 Lesson plans: > > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0The theory behind ordering the courses as I have= , making > > sure > > > > > > > > the general plans are good > > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0What I'll be covering in class, how to keep stud= ents on > > their > > > > > > > > toes > > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0Exercises to give outside of class, creative ass= ignments > > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0The vocabulary I will cover -- how much per week= , what > > order, > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0Any ideas about study materials -- I'm going to = keep it > > simple, > > > > > > > > with vocabulary in one place, (Anki,) and other exercises i= n > > another. > > > > > > > > (online, probably Owlspace) If anyone has interesting ideas= on > > cool > > > > > > > > study materials I could put it, I'd love to try to fit it i= n > > > > > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > =A0 I also need support in teaching me -- I need to get mor= e > > proficient > > > > > > > > in speaking Lojban in the areas I will be teaching. I am no= t > > lacking > > > > > > > > so much in the concepts as the vocabulary. I want to get th= e > > students > > > > > > > > used to Lojban conversation, and I'm still not used to it, = yet! > > > > > > > > =A0 There is a strong possibility that I can organize one d= ay to > > have a > > > > > > > > computer lab trip for a videoconference with other Lojbanis= ts! > > I think > > > > > > > > this would be a really fun way to end things, making sure t= hat > > the > > > > > > > > students get connected with Lojbanistan. Any interested in > > helping > > > > > > > > with that may need to do the same as I, practicing conversa= tion > > with > > > > > > > > the basic tools I will end up teaching over the semester. > > > > > > > > =A0 One day must be spent "outside of class" as a requireme= nt for > > > > > > > > student-taught courses at Rice. Ideas for this are welcome = -- > > right > > > > > > > > now, the best I've got is something like a scavenger hunt o= n > > campus. > > > > > > > > (note that with a videoconference and a day-outside-of-clas= s, > > that > > > > > > > > means I really only have 12 weeks of class that I can count= on) > > > > > > > > =A0 Any suggestions on communication. Right now, I'm only r= eally > > > > > > > > accustomed to email and the IRC. This is my first post on t= he > > mailing > > > > > > > > list. I have browsed around a lot on lojban.org, but there'= s a > > lot of > > > > > > > > information there, and if anyone recognizes some great onli= ne > > resource > > > > > > > > for anything, even talking about this, (in case this discus= sion > > > > > > > > clutters up the mailing list or something,) then feel free = to > > speak up > > > > > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > =A0 I happen to know how to program in python, and I've bee= n > > working on > > > > > > > > a few study programs to help, say, learn the numbers. I'd l= ove > > people > > > > > > > > to help suggest improvements for those as well, as I write > > them. > > > > > > > > > In working through this, I will for certain be able to have= the > > > > > > > > resources associated with Owlspace, which basically entails > > easy > > > > > > > > communication with students and ability to have assignments= on > > there, > > > > > > > > in a variety of ways. I will be investigating its capabilit= ies > > as soon > > > > > > > > as possible. I probably will have access to it after Fall > > > > > > > > Registration, which begins tomorrow. I will also start gett= ing > > numbers > > > > > > > > of people signed up for the course then. > > ... > > read more =BB --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.