From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCf67_tBBoEbGAzWA@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 21 02:15:28 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCpyu-0002SF-Gu; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:28 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf1646184fxm.16 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=iim6iMAyNkvSHrsbYvQE/94+0/UMRmZSIg1rODMzMuk=; b=rZA7NKW0325vrcFwggw+t2b+VZWfzS9pmaLe2HliXGPluR8D6csnu5XtAqtHqHhHGb dxhAb3JWmttX8XBLuQz3SzU2kR7re1LCtLZcdJ7KbKRUBn/YYZ6JuNtDUyUkRz16gZVk nq2mp2529nBB7kPzp2mnoF4yTnsb7e22nwg1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JQAJWxN1+t2OxxVgqiPiUL1VwsRi+NGxNC1RD+fL7KG52hm875CX1MxBtoirkmrko0 666TIl7Aek2Rc+O/A/xhPyXktxTEDnvfFe5OPnCJCZR8C8l5FAyhtXcll1Dvxjk7n7lD OGQwn7VLU5QxcNPu8Wz+1PwpSp9RPPut6eoac= Received: by 10.223.148.5 with SMTP id n5mr761690fav.7.1303377311915; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.138.67 with SMTP id z3ls976506bkt.0.gmail; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.172.130 with SMTP id l2mr586774bkz.23.1303377310572; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.172.130 with SMTP id l2mr586773bkz.23.1303377310545; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f48.google.com (mail-bw0-f48.google.com [209.85.214.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id st2si309204bkb.4.2011.04.21.02.15.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.48; Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so1338960bwz.7 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.199 with SMTP id p7mr1079902bkw.114.1303377309836; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.191.80 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:15:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:15:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Contesting a lujvo From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175def8c8fa6de04a16a2dd9 --0015175def8c8fa6de04a16a2dd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think a better idea would be to pick a different word. because it's not a green bug. It's a green-dye bug. (Unless the bug itself happens to be coloured green, of course.) On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:01 AM, .arpis. wrote: > Theoretically, this could happen with any word, but it's probably most > likely to occur with lujvo. > > Let's say that, in lojbanistan, {ri'orcinki} refers to a particular species > of insects, notable for their green color. Now, let's imagine the dyeing > industry discovering that another insect, not particularly notable in > appearance, effectively produces a green dye when properly treated. How > would the dyeing industry contest the meaning of {ri'orcinki}, if it should > so choose? > > It would, of course, be incorrect to just start referring to the second > insect as {ri'orcinki}, but otherwise, I can't imagine that any momentum > would be generated otherwise. I also feel like liberal use of {za'e} would > be both frustrating and counterproductive (it seems to say, "The other usage > is right, but we're saying this anyway). > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015175def8c8fa6de04a16a2dd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think a better idea would be to pick a different word. because it's n= ot a green bug. It's a green-dye bug. (Unless the bug itself happens to= be coloured green, of course.)

On Thu, A= pr 21, 2011 at 3:01 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Theoretically, this could happen with any w= ord, but it's probably most likely to occur with lujvo.

Let'= s say that, in lojbanistan, {ri'orcinki} refers to a particular species= of insects, notable for their green color. Now, let's imagine the dyei= ng industry discovering that another insect, not particularly notable in ap= pearance, effectively produces a green dye when properly treated. How would= the dyeing industry contest the meaning of {ri'orcinki}, if it should = so choose?

It would, of course, be incorrect to just start referring= to the second insect as {ri'orcinki}, but otherwise, I can't imagi= ne that any momentum would be generated otherwise. I also feel like liberal= use of {za'e} would be both frustrating and counterproductive (it seem= s to say, "The other usage is right, but we're saying this anyway)= .

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