From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDij8DtBBoEmsoQVQ@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 21 03:33:22 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCrCI-00084l-SK; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:21 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf671265vws.16 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EWIc8yj33M0Ul7RsUqC+CGONlZFVCM8GHO2POhgUlts=; b=AHz4n3smH7exVhzx7B6bRaC379+hsjMgF8BGPc5/3H85ITe2Rx4ZTEeyN6trvivuOl ywvpuScEHgT8b+U6oCkztZbCG4NJF6ME+e79+bH/GVH9hdIFbLTOPpv8SBVoL0TsQy0E MaIQHERRoP/FcB3eKHF+YjwMc0boVzG41O7iI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HJpr7M37u4WhTl10ILSi2szH9XmNdiB3ptCp9UsYo+PR4AVi8lVv/VmrlPEUDwuwcP ubt9jDMnDQNYPm8wMTEPSRNxZ8B+xJN5GjMMnHwQROYUE21Hp6WWNUZYtZPNTEDexN0y 0VbkbpBtIXzBZRbFFrysBT5aLYLJ6+ZJNpqRs= Received: by 10.220.6.4 with SMTP id 4mr15892vcx.22.1303381986658; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.173.66 with SMTP id o2ls865764vcz.5.gmail; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.117.68 with SMTP id p4mr2700738vcq.27.1303381985680; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.117.68 with SMTP id p4mr2700737vcq.27.1303381985665; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f42.google.com (mail-qw0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x27si184041vcr.9.2011.04.21.03.33.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.42; Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4so895904qwi.29 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.162 with SMTP id t34mr6195090qco.14.1303381985343; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.182.209 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:33:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Contesting a lujvo From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 21 April 2011 10:01, .arpis. wrote: > Let's say that, in lojbanistan, {ri'orcinki} refers to a particular species > of insects, notable for their green color. Now, let's imagine the dyeing > industry discovering that another insect, not particularly notable in > appearance, effectively produces a green dye when properly treated. How > would the dyeing industry contest the meaning of {ri'orcinki}, if it should > so choose? One possible scenario is that each party create a sufficiently specific and distinct lujvo for their own use -- such as {ri'orpilcinki} and {ri'opracinki} -- and then agree to expand the meaning of {ri'orcinki} -- such as "an insect that has to do with green color" -- so as to make it a hypernym to the new lujvos. If then {ri'orcinki} was unserviceably generic and vague, it would naturally fall out of use. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.