From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBCtic7tBBoElWXBaw@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 23 19:02:39 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QDoef-0007Sz-Ro; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:38 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf5176953qwh.16 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c6esaOvJ0AikGQ+w7IHKBMtMtyQifjJckMOY1gmIFFk=; b=qhv1bb/vYdG2WrsyMXtzWVKFxgGQ0xYnfP4gi4IhcdIOZM+qj7syt1fiApvTZM/yX4 We0Bs548Z7iugcQbX6F2PqvHljfV8ZGVoguWItDen0TTlUP9nVAZ2swgFdCMoFGyg1IW CT1rSf7EZ+bnOxZ+o0k3VMzPHT/CGmnt2gay4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TH7ghQdxSPcK82GVIs48rvxLmo+2jmpEtoc5xZvtX4g0pltq/56djry8E/72yfWQ1M PVV3RyWJrcuJTx4+UeekA2NU3JD9R5PRZG5UT9nX0JFQ6xB6G7D1mGqMpXaD08BENCvr 9aJ6xnQvfceCN2goP7wVOJOnUl9BDaR/mh51s= Received: by 10.229.59.140 with SMTP id l12mr294794qch.28.1303610541939; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.69.21 with SMTP id x21ls1350991qci.2.gmail; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.130.160 with SMTP id t32mr182971qcs.4.1303610541179; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.130.160 with SMTP id t32mr182970qcs.4.1303610541162; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n4si914258qcg.7.2011.04.23.19.02.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20so1562524vxk.0 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.18.137 with SMTP id w9mr852515vca.53.1303610540639; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.194.200 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:02:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46db26a7-603f-4443-a4c7-8d423e9811ed@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> References: <5e7bdd85-5c9f-4c47-9ddc-3a5de443ee80@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <20110422203058.GC80702@alice.local> <46db26a7-603f-4443-a4c7-8d423e9811ed@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 03:02:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fosay translator From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22 April 2011 22:49, Z-CORE wrote: > Sorry, but I did implement it only for declerative sentences yet. And > it translates > between English, Hungarian and Ukrainian. Lojban is used in the > interlingua. E.g. > the interlingua of "Zolt=C3=A1n Kocs=C3=A1n l=C3=A1tott egy h=C3=A1zat." = will be: > sentence: > { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0clause: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{ > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 accusative: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0noun-phrase: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{ > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 qua= ntity: none > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 dif= inity: undifinite > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 nou= n: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0order-number: 3 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0form: formal > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0real-number: singular > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0lemma: zdani > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0noun-type: common > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 per= sone: third > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0} > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 verb-phrase: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0truth: 1.0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0verb: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{ > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 lem= ma: viska > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ord= er-number: 2 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0} > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tense: past > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mood: declarative > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aspect: indefinite > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 subject: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0noun-phrase: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{ > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 qua= ntity: none > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 dif= inity: difinite > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 nou= n: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0personal-name: first-name > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0order-number: 0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0form: formal > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tags: ukrainian > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0real-number: singular > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0lemma: zoltan. > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0noun-type: proper > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 nou= n: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0personal-name: surname > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0order-number: 1 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0form: formal > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0real-number: singular > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0lemma: kotcan. > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0noun-type: proper > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 per= sone: third > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0} > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0} > } > As you can see, Lojban words are used as lemmas. I'm planning to use > Lojban when > describing the knowladge base so I will implement the translation for > it too. > The translation of the "fuzzy" Lojban phrases to the target languages > will be a > set of alternatives. My Lojban is poor yet but I know that there's a > possibility > to say a sentence with an undifined tense. Thus, it will give three > translations > for such sentences: > "A girl saw a house." > "A girl is seeing a house." > "A girl will see a house." > Something like that. > > On 22 =D0=9A=D0=B2=D1=96, 23:30, ".alyn.post." > wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 01:20:28PM -0700, Z-CORE wrote: >> > Hello, the Lojban community. >> > My name is Zoltan Kochan. I'm working on an Interlingual Machine >> > translator. I've started it for 3 natural languages: English, >> > Hungarian and Ukrainian. >> >> > But I'm a big fan of constructed languages and I've realized that >> > Lojban can be used as a good pivot-language during machine >> > translation. That's why I've chosen it's dictionary for representing >> > meaning during the translation process. >> >> > It's not a super-translator... hopefully yet. But it can translate >> > many types of simple and complex sentences in any! direction between >> > the added languages. And it has the ability of extending itself with >> > other (custom) languages. I've "invented" ATNL and CWS for describing >> > the grammar and the dictionary of any other language. >> >> > Anyway, it's an open-source project (https://code.google.com/p/fosay/) >> > and anybody can download it, try it, have fun with it:) >> >> > And I'll be very grateful for any kind of help! Somebody can help me >> > with filling the dictionaries. Others can support the development >> > process (It's written in Python 3). >> >> Cool! >> >> Will you provide some examples of what your program does? =C2=A0How does >> it translate the following? =C2=A0(note that these translations are not >> precisely identical, I'm not assuming your program flips between them, >> I'm curious what it looks like to go from Lojban =3D> English and from >> the English to Lojban.) >> >> .i ta mo / what is that? >> .i ta rokci / that is a rock. >> .i ta me lo do xu rokci / is that your rock? >> .i ta me lo mi rokci / that is my rock. >> .i xu do ponse lo do rokci / do you have your rock? >> .i mi ponse lo mi rokci / I do have my rock. >> .i mi djica lo za'i ponse lo do rokci / I want your rock. >> >> -Alan >> -- >> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > That's a pretty neat idea. Since natural languages are ambiguous the best thing you can do except for teaching a computer how to recognise context (which you probably couldn't accomplish successfully in a reasonable timespan) is to provide several translations, while "grading" each one with how probable it is. Is this accomplished through neural network or some other means of programming artificial intelligence? --=20 mu'o mi'e .ivan. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.