From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDOot7tBBoE9ioNkg@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 26 20:45:31 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QEvgu-000508-Lf; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:31 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf362108vxk.16 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GCDPYtj5Qw17dZWF1APyZe+0eLtW+I7uKt5WhEKcFhw=; b=WrKf4SP8cNvHstVZGPUIpIYoK4nO6Lak4dbG9P3E0gICmNEeAzjgdtXN9Nx7ccDzr8 qmmUNriy1rSrwDTuEI4jyEf+VO18cD50WefSwlCQS+nrCZvI8wgHl089ZuZWdekrSFXw W49JcY8D0iBK4VbnnTjlw6uWuZhDuTItYnh8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GvxU9r4YoxtFeOvZ5pY1eUBvhO0ngJmDkB6xmGJG3fT+ZqkXHpiEQuf3I3eyfTvf6W 1VqAGcK3b9P9qqyzgeHRQRoOHmwsYL5F3tQR7lvdtIGmPgToHmornW3DzcSWkDAX4J33 8L9MtFFpizVEJYtF9CLBncrWPl4sVjSruz/UI= Received: by 10.220.162.211 with SMTP id w19mr126005vcx.2.1303875918608; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.0.75 with SMTP id 11ls132968vdc.2.gmail; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.68.133 with SMTP id w5mr628705vdt.24.1303875917865; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.68.133 with SMTP id w5mr628704vdt.24.1303875917854; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o28si83371vbn.0.2011.04.26.20.45.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.179; Received: by mail-qy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 7so702490qyk.3 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.90.68 with SMTP id h4mr206566qcm.58.1303875917636; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.79.144 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <29de23a7-9c3b-439e-8bc7-57748489baa7@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> References: <29de23a7-9c3b-439e-8bc7-57748489baa7@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lettorals From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You have to understand that when a letter is used by itself, it acts an anaphora (a "pronoun" if you will). By convention, if it's not defined using goi, it stands for the last sumti starting with this letter. So " lo ractu poi ponse lo kosta daski a lo junla poi ry ke=92a dy ka=92e lebna" means "a rabbit that had a coat pocket or a watch which R(=3Dthe rabbit) could it could be taken from D (=3Dthe pocket)". See the reference grammar, chapter 17, section 9, as well as other places= . --gejyspa On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Donny wrote: > I'm currently glossing a paragraph in Lojban (the third paragraph of > the Lojban translation of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland), and I am > stuck on a few words because they just don't seem to make any sense in > context. > > The word 'abu' pops up quite a few times, as well at 'jy' and 'ry'. > Looking up these words tells me that they are just the names for the > letters 'a', 'j', and 'r', but that translation makes no sense at all > when used in the context. Do these words have other meanings? > > i la=92e di=92u no=92e ba=92e mutce le ka cizra ijenaiji=92a la alis jinv= i le > du=92u ba=92e > mutce le ka nalfadni kei fa le nu tirna le nu le ractu cu sezysku lu > oiro=92a > oiro=92a mi lerci li=92u to baku ca le nu abu pensi la=92e di=92u kei abu= ri > te sidbo le > du=92u ei ri abu cizra i ku=92i caku piro ri simlu le ka rarna toi i ku= =92i > ca le nu le > ractu ca=92a lebna lo junla le kosta daski gi=92e catlu jy gi=92e di=92a = sutra > kei la alis > spaji sa=92irbi=92o ki=92u le nu lindi pagre le abu menli fa le si=92o ab= u pu > noroi viska > lo ractu poi ponse lo kosta daski a lo junla poi ry ke=92a dy ka=92e lebn= a > i bai > le nu kucli kei abu bajra pagre le foldi gi=92e jersi ry gi=92e u=92adai > viska le nu ry > canci mo=92ine=92i lo barda ke ractu kevna noi cnita le spabi=92u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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