From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDSo97tBBoEheTyhQ@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 26 20:47:44 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QEvj1-00051V-Nm; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:43 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf362232vxk.16 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0BhtkvuuYlu19m37XPw9XiWHoNTs+/0lNgE5t0Eegp4=; b=xVEjdBCEyonaUCn2k2dD90nDNsGyocnAvBoA570d/xbbPfVVVRx9e1Xu9nVNDJN1jq vquHCujBjlMoUjeYpphntdCaSuN6419GjLX6a8mS0Qc4q/3ikuel/cOggYlc2kXNjXa/ MMZhFI1C+n4Zba5yRJxT6iWp+8cNU/TvaTaQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=w6NG6O3xj6ThcbHIrrDDk3RxrG0Ad0GbpXCwi9tgmuEjSpSoiS6Ho8OmGpPwuhfn96 6tl/mz1/mAHYPFZWdu6piiXFRxNZOBYgL607z1t3RZ8mRWmXx7cXeT1tdI0upTjKwwBW aiUUuAbQcbshfIVT9fDRg2tqGfF8yjFEsjSl0= Received: by 10.220.191.200 with SMTP id dn8mr128598vcb.8.1303876050167; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.18.4 with SMTP id s4ls134132vdd.0.gmail; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.39 with SMTP id 7mr618792vdb.25.1303876049695; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.39 with SMTP id 7mr618791vdb.25.1303876049683; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com (mail-qw0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fo15si83343vbb.4.2011.04.26.20.47.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.41; Received: by mail-qw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 26so853848qwa.14 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.117.73 with SMTP id p9mr1228575qcq.96.1303876049495; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.79.144 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <29de23a7-9c3b-439e-8bc7-57748489baa7@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:47:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lettorals From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, it's late.. that should read "...which R could take from D" --gejyspa On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0You have to understand that when a letter is used by itself, it acts > an anaphora (a "pronoun" if you will). =A0By convention, if it's not > defined using goi, it stands for the last sumti starting with this > letter. =A0So " lo ractu poi ponse lo kosta daski a lo junla poi ry ke=92= a > dy ka=92e lebna" means "a rabbit that had a coat pocket or a watch which > R(=3Dthe rabbit) could it could be taken from D (=3Dthe pocket)". > > =A0See the reference grammar, chapter 17, section 9, as well as other pla= ces. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Donny wrote: >> I'm currently glossing a paragraph in Lojban (the third paragraph of >> the Lojban translation of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland), and I am >> stuck on a few words because they just don't seem to make any sense in >> context. >> >> The word 'abu' pops up quite a few times, as well at 'jy' and 'ry'. >> Looking up these words tells me that they are just the names for the >> letters 'a', 'j', and 'r', but that translation makes no sense at all >> when used in the context. Do these words have other meanings? >> >> i la=92e di=92u no=92e ba=92e mutce le ka cizra ijenaiji=92a la alis jin= vi le >> du=92u ba=92e >> mutce le ka nalfadni kei fa le nu tirna le nu le ractu cu sezysku lu >> oiro=92a >> oiro=92a mi lerci li=92u to baku ca le nu abu pensi la=92e di=92u kei ab= u ri >> te sidbo le >> du=92u ei ri abu cizra i ku=92i caku piro ri simlu le ka rarna toi i ku= =92i >> ca le nu le >> ractu ca=92a lebna lo junla le kosta daski gi=92e catlu jy gi=92e di=92a= sutra >> kei la alis >> spaji sa=92irbi=92o ki=92u le nu lindi pagre le abu menli fa le si=92o a= bu pu >> noroi viska >> lo ractu poi ponse lo kosta daski a lo junla poi ry ke=92a dy ka=92e leb= na >> i bai >> le nu kucli kei abu bajra pagre le foldi gi=92e jersi ry gi=92e u=92adai >> viska le nu ry >> canci mo=92ine=92i lo barda ke ractu kevna noi cnita le spabi=92u >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban?hl=3Den. >> >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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