From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBD9yd7tBBoErGFLvg@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 26 22:09:31 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QEx0B-0003oS-QJ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:31 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf1800362wya.16 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QYSVNZ7PvP/to7cO9c9OUxOZd+6fmwpq7lefjOcp+78=; b=kTPH+x0EKmBraHF29m8iEABzfD09cIm3cB3o2NPckbIFre7M7IOpZpw5q3Lnbejjpz yLz1TUaWrPg5Bc2rpOXxdl5HeOOqI8GCmht75c2EisY1BGiP5ySdVRzGZ49c1GkAfSQL R3JfD7+Jns2f4GykS5fVKSdTH6wwW3eTY82qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DA7wbp7HF76yjaHVtCYSzUyZ31dYVrgJSfud5qoFAdTMrhQ0jn54YM6nneuYxL+fxP XsbZz0UjNRCRAU96kE8pHw67QsqACcFS7RhRb3NZL1Tki8GSC+5B3TARdXgVL/zhKkeE 8hX+l574+929Q31wJih7k2pQdVyuqAXS5Bq2I= Received: by 10.216.193.195 with SMTP id k45mr3008409wen.0.1303880957295; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.130.31 with SMTP id q31ls164671wbs.1.gmail; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.210.195 with SMTP id gl3mr96893wbb.29.1303880956395; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.210.195 with SMTP id gl3mr96892wbb.29.1303880956377; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4si138739wbb.2.2011.04.26.22.09.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1217084wwb.30 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.199.210 with SMTP id et18mr1623685wbb.227.1303880956161; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.156.5 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <29de23a7-9c3b-439e-8bc7-57748489baa7@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lettorals From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 April 2011 05:12, Luke Bergen wrote: > "bob hit billy. =A0He is 8". In that case the intonation of the voice and accentuation will give clues as to what "he" refers to - Bob or Billy. There's no such tool in lojban. Although even without intonation/accentuation, it is more probable that "he" will refer to subject (Bob) rather than the object (Billy) of the previous sentence (unless specifically stressed, e.g. "Bob hit *BILLY*. *HE* is eight."). Furthermore, most speakers would not phrase such an utterance like that (split into two sentences) but would more likely say either "Bob, who is eight, hit Billy" or "Bob hit Billy, who is eight". --=20 mu'o mi'e .ivan. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.