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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] music terms To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <201104011040.37367.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 66.94.237.204 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > On Friday 01 April 2011 09:51:15 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > Now I notice, nitcion proposed "cistrxaioni,ane" for major and > > "cistrxeioli,ane" for minor.=A0 Comment, Pierre? >=20 > Someone else proposed those spellings and nitcion (who is Greek) suggeste= d=20 > changing them. >=20 > > In any case, what would you suggest should be the places in > > the definition? >=20 > x1 is the foo-key of tonic x2 with notes x3, where foo is Ionian, Lydian,= =20 > autc. But that's just a suggestion. >=20 My music theory is virtually non-existent, so please bear with me. Shouldn't "cistrxeioli" be "aeolian" i.e. "natural minor" (but not harmonic= =20 minor=20 or melodic minor)?.=A0 If, as you suggest, it=A0should mean any of the thre= e minors,=20 then the only way to specify which of the three minors it is, would be to s= pell=20 out all=20 =A0the notes in x3 - ponderous to say the least.=A0 If there were a distinc= t fui'vla=20 for each=20 of the three minors, then x3 would be unnecessary. But then which minor is = the=20 minor in "Beethoven's String Quartet in C# minor Op 131 "? If, regardless of my suggestion, we were to have one fu'ivla for "minor", t= hen=20 wouldn't it be better to have x3 be the type (i.e. natural, harmonic or mel= odic)=20 rather than the complete list of notes? totus On the other hand, if we were to keep --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.