From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDznujsBBoEu8e7Tg@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 04 11:35:47 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6ocp-0005qL-GJ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:47 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf6995890qyk.16 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=euxzOjqaR/Fru2jfp8jCXvwTvu/xElkrmYTpk1XIxlg=; b=zXtGmbIzAY7rSWIyL/BD+vGyPKgRTiMt6c2PaPK1DzrMlMxDnG//1uEQ5sMa60pRws KfFsEa3WaA0mzEMQr5+OfgEv/YACT3Z6LnBQ2ki4MVmA9me84PBOG3cIsOHSHbnw6c1j HiADUWrX0oDpYDBEzfsyAQZ5J0kKeFf4Bpu50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=3bce7c9a6+W7f8/PaHa3Nn0rdO5z0sEqsy04UfxbGtM54DHWO2lEQ3mLBxhVFO1tCF 7wgapK7ptAe9tf+5kILj9AH6T8s6JXf68EV18hR2GYhJ4K+PHjSxYMgmRuW5ywtX3N3t 3FW4r8eJYakCRcj8cTV+Y1y05uyEkrRhfn+6E= Received: by 10.229.105.99 with SMTP id s35mr70153qco.2.1301942131239; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.205.76 with SMTP id fp12ls1630052qcb.0.p; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr497832qcr.18.1301942130251; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr497831qcr.18.1301942130220; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o8si942510qcu.2.2011.04.04.11.35.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.47; Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5so4680772qwh.34 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.74.14 with SMTP id s14mr6265343qaj.191.1301942129925; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.216.7 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:35:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d672e2c1d1504a01c06fd --0015175d672e2c1d1504a01c06fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Joel T. wrote: > In any case, surely running two systems side-by-side is asking for > dialectisation (is that a word?), where speakers in one area get used > to one system while speakers in another prefer the other? > It can, and does. But we consider the flexibility to be a plus. That way, any person coming from a natural language background of say, Turkish, can from sentences the way that seems most natural to them, while someone coming from an English background can form setnences the most natural way to them. And both will be understood equally well. We had, for example, a while a back, a discussion over which was "better": to use "cu" often, or to totally eschew it in favor of sumti that are competely terminated so that there was no need for it (i.e. "lo gerku cu barda" vs. "lo gerku ku barda"). There are vocal proponents on each side, so it amounts to a dialectical split, but.. so what? --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Joel T. <joelofarabia@gmail.= com> wrote:
In any case, surely running two = systems side-by-side is asking for
dialectisation (is that a word?), whe= re speakers in one area get used
to one system while speakers in another prefer the other?
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=A0 It can, and does.=A0 But we consider the flexibility to be a p= lus.=A0 That way, any person coming from a natural language background of s= ay, Turkish, can from sentences the way that seems most natural to them, wh= ile someone coming from an English background can form setnences the most n= atural way to them.=A0 And both will be understood equally well.=A0 We had,= for example, a while a back, a discussion over which was "better"= ;: to use "cu" often, or to totally eschew it in favor of sumti t= hat are competely terminated so that there was no need for it (i.e. "l= o gerku cu barda" vs. "lo gerku ku barda").=A0 There are voc= al proponents on each side, so it amounts to a dialectical split, but.. so = what?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
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