From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCl5v_sBBoE1PlzkQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 08 22:48:36 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8R29-00012V-9W; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:36 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf2051355vws.16 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=r3JLY8ztQ7+3dOMeZOgBJmmdLTkRfaZSSMLYGFk0Z4o=; b=vD9NEuDvZyejK56UCed7jgqoehHtPKt0B2ElDDkiFXl6WhXhSMW0JU7BUrHmz+UQhX Epp5cO4WD4K2/2BOh5A+eLb3U3msj3S6tQmOLh7Amv1xIpD0KPaiCn0iHI42Zzmvd1is W5oY+297OeDNlE8Kad+4RN7GNZBRe3buDbbB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pRIkldAFEexqiO+PFslms0zKwBaTCEUFNgFtS0NVrOBkODkZdys/NMMGrxmKhb2b7y wWsvRszEM/OOi7GdY9R9HCRfm+FWiMfv/w5ut/KizrxpLCAUfp1Wwcq17rOEEuqDaR5s 3MXvmdeeXYBT7lMFqhFruzqEY8cQHu3es9Hrs= Received: by 10.220.191.133 with SMTP id dm5mr393984vcb.10.1302328101047; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.67.30 with SMTP id p30ls1340235vci.3.p; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.183.37 with SMTP id ej5mr613436vdc.17.1302328100272; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.183.37 with SMTP id ej5mr613435vdc.17.1302328100259; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2si246625vdt.1.2011.04.08.22.48.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so5149810vws.17 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.116.6 with SMTP id js6mr4412974vdb.293.1302328099071; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:48:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.158.201 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:47:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <637d0745ed534b12dfc5867e00c83107@mail.twey.co.uk> <201104082010.50455.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 01:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54859beb9e79e04a075e3ee --bcaec54859beb9e79e04a075e3ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, if "cut" and "nut" are using "=C9=90" could you give an example of an e= nglish word that uses the schwa that we say lojban "y" sounds like? I was under the impression that "=C9=90" (whatever that is) is what the lojban "y" soun= ds like. god-damnit ivo, just when I think I have the lojban pronounciation figured out you go and throw it all in to doubt for me. For the record, my lojban vowels are as follows: a -> the "a" in english "father" e -> the "e" in english "bet" i - > the "ee" in english "beet" o -> the "oa" in english "boat" u -> the "oo" in english "root" y -> the "u" in english "butter", "nut", "cut", "rut", "gutter", and the "o= " in "mother" and "love". If these aren't proper lojban pronunciations, please correct me. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Ivo Doko wrote: > If you pronounce "cut" and "nut" like this > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/En-us-cut.ogg > and this > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/En-us-nut.ogg > respectively, then you're not pronouncing them like {kyt} and {nyt} > ([k=C9=99t] and [n=C9=99t]), but more like {kat} and {nat} ([k=C9=90t] an= d [n=C9=90t] > (international IPA)). If you're not pronouncing them similarly to how > they're pronounced in those recordings then I would be most grateful > if one of you could record him-/herself pronouncing either "cut" or > "nut" or both and upload the recording somewhere so that I can hear > your pronunciation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec54859beb9e79e04a075e3ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, if "cut" and "nut" are using "=C9=90" cou= ld you give an example of an english word that uses the schwa that we say l= ojban "y" sounds like? =C2=A0I was under the impression that &quo= t;=C9=90" (whatever that is) is what the lojban "y" sounds l= ike.

god-damnit ivo, just when I think I have the lojban pronounc= iation figured out you go and throw it all in to doubt for me.
For the record, my lojban vowels are as follows:
a -> the "a" in english "father"
e -&g= t; the "e" in english "bet"
i - > the &quo= t;ee" in english "beet"
o -> the "oa"= in english "boat"
u -> the "oo" in english "root"
y -&g= t; the "u" in english "butter", "nut", "= cut", "rut", "gutter", and the "o" in &q= uot;mother" and "love".

If these aren't proper lojban=C2=A0pronunciations, = please correct me.

On Sat, Apr 9, = 2011 at 12:17 AM, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
If you pronounce "cut" and "= nut" like this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/En-u= s-cut.ogg
and this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/En-u= s-nut.ogg
respectively, then you're not pronouncing them like {kyt} and {nyt}
([k=C9=99t] and [n=C9=99t]), but more like {kat} and {nat} ([k=C9=90t] and = [n=C9=90t]
(international IPA)). If you're not pronouncing them similarly to how they're pronounced in those recordings then I would be most grateful if one of you could record him-/herself pronouncing either "cut" = or
"nut" or both and upload the recording somewhere so that I can he= ar
your pronunciation.

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