From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBCNx4LtBBoEP4kk8w@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 09 11:21:17 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8cmX-0004bE-MO; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:21:16 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf2438765vws.16 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J0qWKUfUzUYcezEATCL9eT1VOSt+xweDx6zrGfULh4A=; b=vPzJs5kmnsKmWXeWw6jnY0DAFgI+PLU2Jve52AB3j/B9qRt6wCgTCLY9z4U0PBU3Tn RFc6Pbu57raaG5JQB06sBBPpikWKiw8IkOlJPx+UWpQct3xast2CW2OLVJrrL3xwTpQd 4qj7m6IJNRkryAfg4FkVEEM+uhsQlZcFuZNQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=XasFsbDo67BPDk2wpfT9TWeb4UgdVE9XPbI1szWE12L/B9Fcx0OXC92G1sSilvEqtx cJIsr16pn7r4IXp5Gbf6cwuuNSVVlGycZkcbb2v/G0tFZCYkEyQORVu95LpHvik51P7g TEu05zg7AYRuF5efdlJjqNZh9xL4lghRpvT+A= Received: by 10.220.171.198 with SMTP id i6mr410532vcz.30.1302373261498; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.124.37 with SMTP id s37ls1461029vcr.1.p; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.9 with SMTP id 9mr1090973vda.12.1302373259619; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.9 with SMTP id 9mr1090972vda.12.1302373259566; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f3si22953vdv.6.2011.04.09.11.20.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so4592333vws.2 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.234 with SMTP id cp10mr1481982vdb.153.1302373259285; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.60.13 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <637d0745ed534b12dfc5867e00c83107@mail.twey.co.uk> <201104082010.50455.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:20:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags? From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9 April 2011 18:11, Luke Bergen wrote: > I'm confused about the difference between the schwa ("a" in "a dog") and = the > "u" in "rut". =C2=A0I hear those two as the same I think. You're either mispronouncing one of the words or both of them, or you're mishearing. If "rut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [=C9=B9=C9=99t] (instead of [=C9= =B9=C9=90t]), it would sound like this: http://www.mediafire.com/?v7vdzkn22ahmfn2 If "cut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [k=C9=99t] (instead of [k=C9=90t= ]), it would sound like this: http://www.mediafire.com/?whl4if98b9741pb If "nut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [n=C9=99t] (instead of [n=C9=90t= ]), it would sound like this: http://www.mediafire.com/?isvcl8uc0x7e9i8 On the other hand, if "a dog" was pronounced with [=C9=90], like [=C9=90.d= =C9=92g] (instead of [=C9=99.d=C9=92g]), it would sound like this: http://www.mediafire.com/?786nu3l7p8ito6r Also, "o" in "do" is [=CA=8A] (actually [=CA=8A=CB=90]) - a sound better su= ited for lojban {u}. "o" in "for" is better for lojban {o}. You can get much better acquainted with all this phonetic mumbo-jumbo here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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