From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDGy4LtBBoEEbCnEA@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 09 11:30:47 2011 Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8cvj-0003gz-GS; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:47 -0700 Received: by eyf18 with SMTP id 18sf124523eyf.16 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=MbivtOvOvl69U/f02vmXUyX0tUA3WfMOpOltcBe+LWk=; b=a+zHU6DCAoKUGh+KFV4fOH282B1f5W57VHBJxt/aUveQCPlpBX3PXuzKKeo/tjWYEw FESlQaOCY8W2eT3gLLwnbOqN48HzN0ZygyXbQsqtZjt9AAEgSelaGhRKZct5g9RqZse3 CiDJ5cdXpoPgO3GgdDwVoPuV5WiE6B0ubcTNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xm74tMdqsaCSfd7GU2BXl0YqpcaCxNHXOAQ13NPvO9+83ao0hW++LaLlsvoMljPtju TvZQEgnISKgvGDmQ6eSuqIpICII3pPY7B89BB+7UJazGQraqkaNacNRZIeNFWEySXBNL l3d1/0Vh3VQQLl+NZfYi1zZImv9Vzj2Vbiwe4= Received: by 10.213.13.74 with SMTP id b10mr566204eba.1.1302373830667; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.25.35 with SMTP id y35ls376631eey.2.p; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.202 with SMTP id t50mr309931eeb.34.1302373829604; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.202 with SMTP id t50mr309930eeb.34.1302373829581; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l57si1260844eei.0.2011.04.09.11.30.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.54; Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1914513ewy.41 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.23.7 with SMTP id p7mr392189ebb.60.1302373829269; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.33.75 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:30:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <637d0745ed534b12dfc5867e00c83107@mail.twey.co.uk> <201104082010.50455.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:30:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3f6e755bdc04a0808913 --0015174c3f6e755bdc04a0808913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha, no, I meant the lojban word "do" not the english word "do" :) On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Ivo Doko wrote: > On 9 April 2011 18:11, Luke Bergen wrote: > > I'm confused about the difference between the schwa ("a" in "a dog") an= d > the > > "u" in "rut". I hear those two as the same I think. > > You're either mispronouncing one of the words or both of them, or > you're mishearing. > > > If "rut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [=C9=B9=C9=99t] (instead of [= =C9=B9=C9=90t]), > it would sound like this: > http://www.mediafire.com/?v7vdzkn22ahmfn2 > > If "cut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [k=C9=99t] (instead of [k=C9= =90t]), > it would sound like this: > http://www.mediafire.com/?whl4if98b9741pb > > If "nut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [n=C9=99t] (instead of [n=C9= =90t]), > it would sound like this: > http://www.mediafire.com/?isvcl8uc0x7e9i8 > > > On the other hand, if "a dog" was pronounced with [=C9=90], like [=C9=90.= d=C9=92g] > (instead of [=C9=99.d=C9=92g]), it would sound like this: > http://www.mediafire.com/?786nu3l7p8ito6r > > > Also, "o" in "do" is [=CA=8A] (actually [=CA=8A=CB=90]) - a sound better = suited for > lojban {u}. "o" in "for" is better for lojban {o}. > > You can get much better acquainted with all this phonetic mumbo-jumbo her= e: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015174c3f6e755bdc04a0808913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha, no, I meant the lojban word "do" not the english word "= ;do" :)

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:20 = PM, Ivo Doko <iv= o.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 April 2011 18:11, Lu= ke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
> I'm confused about the difference between the schwa ("a"= in "a dog") and the
> "u" in "rut". =C2=A0I hear those two as the same I= think.

You're either mispronouncing one of the words or both of them, or=
you're mishearing.


If "rut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [=C9=B9=C9=99t] (inste= ad of [=C9=B9=C9=90t]),
it would sound like this:
htt= p://www.mediafire.com/?v7vdzkn22ahmfn2

If "cut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [k=C9=99t] (instead of= [k=C9=90t]),
it would sound like this:
htt= p://www.mediafire.com/?whl4if98b9741pb

If "nut" was pronounced with a schwa, like [n=C9=99t] (instead of= [n=C9=90t]),
it would sound like this:
htt= p://www.mediafire.com/?isvcl8uc0x7e9i8


On the other hand, if "a dog" was pronounced with [=C9=90], like = [=C9=90.d=C9=92g]
(instead of [=C9=99.d=C9=92g]), it would sound like this:
htt= p://www.mediafire.com/?786nu3l7p8ito6r


Also, "o" in "do" is [=CA=8A] (actually [=CA=8A=CB=90])= - a sound better suited for
lojban {u}. "o" in "for" is better for lojban {o}.

You can get much better acquainted with all this phonetic mumbo-jumbo here:=
ht= tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA

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