From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBDh-ILtBBoEQEmseA@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 09 13:07:16 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8eR4-0000DQ-OB; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:07:15 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf1894097vxk.16 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:07:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NP8JUvq2V+LRNhmiv2uq7Uy25kaH7GOPuMQEraMt25s=; b=a4wvLzpe6MDZ6rNjB0dOhtQsempUiW6ssu1CY/ltw3rk+CpgAHjrIYMUzGLPccIb1m +jRxJlGlfofhiSa9kORKsr4XyDTcJqnVlfbhBGFqelTdl96yswp9G53TcW0UsX0/TrE6 NjsOxOmbB1a8Ak7sNUNC3+FbCgYY2pU6HiJPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CXuhMWyUC9IZLNlpp4MxeaMbneB5HIlZiMaD6dgmgBuneCwWKx1/iDjcvJsoxy2wNK w0oeh+FiLHoUjwDGBH6i+EuIQobOx7MIiEJBHGb0hDUTYDSwiQOF7uE5mlr7Vp7cGkzj T1od/wEftg9HqZUufTQJ1P15yfYcXiDq5/uRM= Received: by 10.220.16.134 with SMTP id o6mr452860vca.52.1302379617019; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.124.37 with SMTP id s37ls1477709vcr.1.p; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.77.7 with SMTP id o7mr939652vdw.23.1302379616218; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.77.7 with SMTP id o7mr939651vdw.23.1302379616208; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o28si841785vbn.0.2011.04.09.13.06.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so3400114vws.19 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.46.234 with SMTP id k42mr1069641vcf.133.1302379614854; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.60.13 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:06:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <501670.94789.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <637d0745ed534b12dfc5867e00c83107@mail.twey.co.uk> <201104082010.50455.phma@phma.optus.nu> <501670.94789.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:06:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags? From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9 April 2011 20:40, John E Clifford wrote: > if my wife says "pan" (to my ears), I never > know whether she is after a pan or a pen or a pin. I always found that intriguing, how [=C3=A6], [=C9=9B] and [=C9=AA] have ma= naged to merge into one in some accents of English. Because my own native language doesn't have [=C3=A6] but does have [=C9=9B], when I was learning English as a child I always had a hard time distinguishing between "man" and "men", "pat" and "pet", "bat" and "bet" etc., but after a while my hearing just got adjusted to the additional phoneme and today I can distinguish them (and pronounce them differently and correctly) without a problem. Difference between [=C3=A6] and [=C9=9B] (and especially= [=C9=AA]) is so crucial in so many situations in English that I just can't understand how something like that managed to get lost. As for lojban vowels, I have always pronounced them like this: a - [a] or [a=CB=90] e - [=C9=9B] or [=C9=9B=CB=90] i - [i] or [i=CB=90] o - [o] or [o=CB=90] u - [u] or [u=CB=90] y - [=C9=99] or [=C9=99=CB=90] The length of the vowel in pronunciation I adjust to my own feeling, which is undoubtedly heavily influenced by Serbo-Croatian and English. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.