From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhC--8DuBBoEnsiTuw@googlegroups.com Sun May 15 13:55:41 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QLiLi-0001vP-0s; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:41 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf1820302vxk.16 for ; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=qN1drtIW54/xQ+JXQCwNvuq4ArnEy/EdopUeor1al4U=; b=bfivdlyJsdkgdEPjs4OKWiH3MpbNCmcpQphexjUW9K8WtYTtF1/lgUju6gXLQ8YTUu +caRvfNx2V2d9mDpj/rxPqKm+aMJfwqL2ouGS2pphHcITNRmBIlbXv9ST97hr8Qt5+a7 a6nRqlVk0UKLnDDFtnfrrDj16g/Nn+2RYkhpk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=t2ewaDxHd7ZVqVR+pqCAO82PoVWZ+2hdPlJRLan0nJ/FGgymN8DnhVbhE5Fw7yj0hl 7GqtYLVCV3GQWlvf7GDTcfC8YxNV/LDbPPnCtJFhiuJ/Tz0v3lQJz5a7OskuJ2G4P2lD IKVdSXH2xFUf99cyiRmbLz/W19w7TJ0+3i/mA= Received: by 10.220.180.6 with SMTP id bs6mr309657vcb.47.1305492926729; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.180.165 with SMTP id dp5ls1121308vdc.3.gmail; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.9 with SMTP id 9mr617914vda.12.1305492926083; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.9 with SMTP id 9mr617913vda.12.1305492926059; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com (mail-qw0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o23si402179vcf.15.2011.05.15.13.55.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.41; Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so2064861qwa.28 for ; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.67.218 with SMTP id s26mr2788011qci.40.1305492925675; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.62.78 with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2011 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <533870.74103.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <533870.74103.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:55:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "lo no" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64de50417779404a356c2a6 --0016e64de50417779404a356c2a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 u'i That response made my day. On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > Or, from our POV, you refuse to accept the way the world is, and we hate to > leave anybody behind. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Michael Turniansky > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sun, May 15, 2011 9:58:06 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] "lo no" > > Although xorxes and John Clifford seem to understand my point (whether or > not they agree), I am least happy that I am formulating my POV in a > comprehensible manner. And yet, here I am being sucked in again, because > you refuse to leave it go. > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:56 AM, tijlan wrote: > >> On 13 May 2011 16:44, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> >> >> > Of course, since you do believe that, I hope you are prepared, >> > because all of the trained assassins I am sending your way are deadly. >> > You better start worrying about their cardinality. >> >> "all of the trained assassins" (ro lo broda), given no context, can >> mean one thousand (ki'o lo broda) or none (no lo broda) or else. In >> any case, it refers to "the trained assassins" (lo broda), something >> -- not nothing, not nomei. > > > Then I leave you with a question. If broda = "the trained assassins that > I am sending your way", Then "no lo xo broda"? If you insist I can only > send you zero OF some trained assassins, then how many assassins am I > sending you none OF? Please quanitfy that number for me. For whether you > know the answer or not (or indeed, whether one CAN know what the answer is > or not), there must be some answer to it. You can always state an inner and > outer qualifier. > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0u'i=A0 That response made my day.

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Or, from our POV, you refuse to ac= cept the way the world is, and we hate to leave anybody behind.


From: Michael Turniansky <= ;mturniansky@gma= il.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.= com
Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 9:58= :06 AM

Subject: Re: [lojban] "lo no"

=A0 Although xorxes and John Clifford seem to understand m= y point (whether or not they agree), I am least happy that I am formulating= my POV in a comprehensible manner.=A0 And yet, here I am being sucked in a= gain, because you refuse to leave it go.

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:56 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 May 2011 16:44, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
"all of the trained assassins" (ro lo broda), given no cont= ext, can
mean one thousand (ki'o lo broda) or none (no lo broda) or else. In
any case, it refers to "the trained assassins" (lo broda), someth= ing
-- not nothing, not nomei.

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