From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCamcLuBBoE43Ydng@googlegroups.com Sun May 15 19:32:07 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QLnbI-00079m-Fd; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:32:07 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf4381289pzk.16 for ; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eaumtzxFmfUwWYlQPaYA+M/MYW9fVLLAABd8dPvYr+0=; b=z33ejZK3fCrc1DHl0RFd1wGo+MoMmBSoJFRm/taHIW/Dr9wq94DmJJl8VeGfVoQnz6 7E9Vg2xNmXSOZcYzOGXobAjhakQrUMUK2qO/r6Xd1mE/pjLSyQ0UHzq9+tHgp9ytzauJ RlZ9XpqR71Xq+SN8nEyuylQJBSfmewCohTctY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=u9mgjN8LxYxqJx12kgzMOPDm+7tnbwSv3SKBqQ6jQalpko5akNfBpWkRaLgIl7iDBC emHxUrr23tv/5gz5bSVwg7VBGShJ2h0WELDekMkC01j8hC2F6gjS1QSU2eFGyosRrL7u gVknP4xoRywj3GUiC2s1wcsVqarmsARI1CkDM= Received: by 10.68.65.98 with SMTP id w2mr201333pbs.13.1305513114132; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.49.42 with SMTP id r10ls573751pbn.1.gmail; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.1.169 with SMTP id 9mr681421pbn.88.1305513113440; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.1.169 with SMTP id 9mr681420pbn.88.1305513113387; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.138]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 1si1889878pbg.7.2011.05.15.19.31.52; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.44.138 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.44.138; Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2011 02:31:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2011 02:31:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2011 02:31:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 129055.54172.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76572 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2011 02:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <568194.76295.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xuoq8qoVM1nSz7E9TCJ_Vv7qkafwZGdS70HRpzKOMnVFEWQ 2gtRm4qBElxOu8ntVMmso.03JAq2rQ_fTCt5bZW6EURk7y_DGVn_jfEW2VCe SFc7SJpoS7MWKU3swZNsWtkOl_rFpUB6d2jYDonO5ogIuMrzpViHhB.zQiEU wL_jGP97c.E.4iaem6JQWONDGOp4vyRfB_yhJ2T5e0EajkHmxGkGaAvQaFqF OL9TtCjjqlpoJhE4Arr1WpYIIh4y2U4gOBO2EN6CHG6VhfbuW_AuUzKFB8RI ymmRk34Gx66S7EvH60h6mxh8fSaPxOgXJYKrZ2ihyh5w5Gm8.bz963jDlYd8 DRGsNljItoIHqidJiY93gZLBHPcjGKxbS_b_0.tyoEDjD.ALX2mpYZ2JEP72 GLf7YHMxMxFN_9WYgo06oAokEYx4f5Q27n1BJdWA1VKI.TOvXegsm7hPq2.j iRlaKAR601.kyVrO1e1q5H.73GVED_G0oc96G8ew- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/567 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: <201105151119.07862.phma@phma.optus.nu> <180224.7628.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201105152157.22327.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] "lo no" To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <201105152157.22327.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.44.138 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, actually, the root is just mh, the d comes from de and the eis, emia,= en=20 from the word for one. So it is strictly the negative stem, not the root t= hat=20 carries over (the de here seems to be emphatic "not even"). The same works = for=20 oudeis. though I've never seen something called an (o)udad (I remember tha= t=20 there are some specific reasons for choosing one rather than the other, but= I=20 can't remember what they are: my fraternity changed from one to the other= =20 because the the verb in its motto was optative -- I thjnk -- but the real c= hoice=20 seems to be more whimisical than that). =20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 8:57:20 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] "lo no" On Sunday 15 May 2011 15:29:30 John E Clifford wrote: > No, just the root involved, you don' say "mononad" The root of =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=82 is =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4=CE= =B5=CE=BD-, just as the root of =CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=82 is =CE=B5=CE=BD: =CE=BF = =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=82, =CF=84=CE=BF=CF=85=20 =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4=CE=B5=CE=BD=CE=BF=CF=82, =CF=84=CF=89 =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4= =CE=B5=CE=BD=CE=B9, =CF=84=CE=BF=CE=BD =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4=CE=B5=CE=BD=CE=B1= . The root of =CE=BC=CE=BF=CE=BD=CE=BF=CF=82 is =CE=BC=CE=BF=CE=BD-; it dec= lines like a=20 regular 2nd/1st declension adjective. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.