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There are some Lojban puns, but none that carry ov= er,=20 so far as I can remember. Probably lo banli X (Lojban is AN). Silence is the absence of noise, so=20 something along the lines of nu/ka tolsavru. ----- Original Message ---- From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 2:37:15 PM Subject: [lojban] 2 questions about translation into Lojban Hello dear members, I'm interested in Lojban and newly arrived on this group. Please be patient with me :-) I want to translate two noun phrases into Lojban 1=B0) the first is french "Grand Silence", which means "Great Silence" in english, "great" in the sense of "great" (and maybe also "deep") I didn't find "silence" in the dictionary, should somebody create it ? Assuming silence is X in lojban, is "le X banli [ku]" the correct translation for "Great Silence" ? 2=B0) I want to find a translation for a pun. A friend of mine is nicknamed "Cochonfucius", which is a pun between "cochon" =3D pig and "confucius" =3D Kong fu-zi, the famous chinese philosopher. (This is because of some chinese novel character that assumes a porcine form to visit the world and teach philosophy ;-) What would be the best way to keep the pun understable, assuming of course there is one ? "Pig" is xarju, "pig species" is selxarju, has anybody an idea ? By the way, does there exist "puns" in Lojban ? .esk. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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