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At worst it is neutral, but it is easier (at least initially) to take it as collective. ________________________________ From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 12:05:08 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers Shouldn't you not do that anyway, since {lo} is distributive? mu'o mi'e .latros. >Here is an example where "su'o" fails: > >lo ci nanmu ca'o bevri lo pipno. >"Three men are carrying a piano." > >It would not occur to me to conclude that at least one of the three >men is carrying a piano, my assumption would be that they are all >three doing it together. > >mu'o mi'e xorxes > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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No 'tain't.  At worst it is neutral, but it is easie= r (at least initially) to take it as collective.


From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
= To: lojban@googlegroups.co= m
Sent: Mon, May 2, 201= 1 12:05:08 AM
Subject: = Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers

Shouldn't you not do that anyway, since {lo} is distributive?

mu'o m= i'e .latros.

Here is an example where "su'o" fails:

lo ci nanmu ca'o bevri lo pipno.
"Three men are carrying a piano."

It would not occur to me to conclude that at least one of the three
men is carrying a piano, my assumption would be that they are all
three doing it together.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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