From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhCsjYLvBBoEgvb70g@googlegroups.com Fri May 27 22:23:07 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QQBzL-0003v0-DJ; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:23:07 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf3632964qyk.16 for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HORUDhkGWLeEJVlLfzLma3OwCS6hsTeISdk02W51Ktk=; b=4ug9vzJoiGN51WsII0x2uNps5VP5WynH0xRxjrpQ1eSkQWm99Ccc22NV/HabL9ugsi RKAS6sguJ6eYwF+VOF3fn6F6SJU+ga1TJSZWYihYbjsUXUezoZK7+EmoQAbbgjadGzE0 5kkz9r8/MurMvvu/H/51GqxWYlqfk7rUQtLtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Ytd0n4AbRD4imI6mlVc3qGY0MvKgVxx16K3Nwsnk0IIDTuCTgccc3UN/Dx0+Wgqdr0 GO4HjIZgR12l+u86+Txuozmc8xQi+L3xIPeBXpBNsM6u5ozuY5ia2wspZXz2F7pwgu2o 6nux5kZn2KTgGzKonSGWaHNqFtS3DC/vOs2dk= Received: by 10.224.205.130 with SMTP id fq2mr800652qab.18.1306560172805; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.175.74 with SMTP id w10ls648219qaz.0.gmail; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.195.130 with SMTP id ec2mr962646qab.29.1306560171088; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.195.130 with SMTP id ec2mr962645qab.29.1306560171070; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k32si2068315qcs.1.2011.05.27.22.22.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by mail-vw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 13so2300931vws.40 for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.177.104 with SMTP id cp8mr1462994vdc.132.1306560170741; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.115.130 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2011 22:22:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110528045431.GQ11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110528045431.GQ11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 01:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pamoi javni From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071c812daceed04a44f3ef8 --20cf3071c812daceed04a44f3ef8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's late/early, and I'm tired; I'll reply in English, if it's not too much of a problem. My intended meaning (for the purposes of criticism) was as follows: (Since our game of Nomic seems to be having not the problem of never finishing but of never starting, I'll provide the first rule) All rules and all messages meant to express said rules must be grammatically correct lojban according to camxes (which can be used at http://genrei.lojban.org/ ) To address your confusion: As I understood it, winner of the previous round chooses a theme; lacking a winner (and a previous round)... Also, I provided (or attempted to provide) a fantasy rule. Not a very stylistic one or creative one, and perhaps not much of a restriction; however, without it, a rule need not (necessarily) be formally parseable; furthermore, rules which exploit bugs or idiosyncrasies in camxes are valid under this rule. However, due to the fact that I made at least two gross semantic mistakes, I propose this rule be judged invalid and I be penalized style points. I have learned the valuable lesson: triple check my lojban (both to ensure that I'm posting what I intend and to ensure that it makes sense), over the course of at least two sittings. On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:49:21PM -0400, .arpis. wrote: > > ge ro lo javni gi ji'a > > > > ro lo se cusku be tezu'e lo cusku be lo bi'unai javni > > lo se cusku na zukte gi'e nai cusku .i ki'a > > > ku bilga lo lojbo gerna drani du'o la camxes to cumki co pilno ri > > tu'i la'e zoi url http://genrei.lojban.org/ url toi > > mi stidi lo'u fi'o panji le'u be se ba'i zo du'o .i la camxes na > djuno > > ni'o mi kanpe lo se draci mu'u la'o zoi > > https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play/browse_thread/thread/2b6d0a783fb0c76c# > zoi .i ji'a mi kanpe lo xanri javni mu'u la'o zoi > > https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play/browse_thread/thread/bfe010755f7a6559# > zoi .i ku'i za'a do finte le junri javni po le ja'a selkei .i se > ki'u bo mi se cfipu > > English: > > Correction: A "se cusku" cannot be an actor [i.e. something with a > te zu'e, a goal], nor a speaker; huh? > > I think you might want to use "fi'o pajni" there, as camxes is not > something that can know things. > > Moving on, I expected a theme, like > > https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play/browse_thread/thread/2b6d0a783fb0c76c# > , > and I expected a fantasy rule, like > > https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play/browse_thread/thread/bfe010755f7a6559# > , > but you seem to have provided a serious rule for the game itself, > therefore I'm confused. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3071c812daceed04a44f3ef8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's late/early, and I'm tired; I'll reply in English, if it= 9;s not too much of a problem.

My intended meaning (for the purposes= of criticism) was as follows:

(Since our game of Nomic seems to be = having not the problem of never finishing but of never starting, I'll p= rovide the first rule)

All rules and all messages meant to express said rules must be grammati= cally correct lojban according to camxes (which can be used at http://genrei.lojban.org/ )

To address= your confusion:

As I understood it, winner of the previous round chooses a theme; lacki= ng a winner (and a previous round)...
Also, I provided (or attempted to = provide) a fantasy rule. Not a very stylistic one or creative one, and perh= aps not much of a restriction; however, without it, a rule need not (necess= arily) be formally parseable; furthermore, rules which exploit bugs or idio= syncrasies in camxes are valid under this rule.

However, due to the fact that I made at least two gross semantic mistak= es, I propose this rule be judged invalid and I be penalized style points.<= br>
I have learned the valuable lesson: triple check my lojban (both to = ensure that I'm posting what I intend and to ensure that it makes sense= ), over the course of at least two sittings.

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Robin Lee = Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:49:21PM -0400, .arpis. wrote:<= br> > ge ro lo javni gi ji'a
>
> ro lo se cusku be tezu'e lo cusku be lo bi'unai javni

lo se cusku na zukte gi'e nai cusku .i ki'a

> ku bilga lo lojbo gerna drani du'o la camxes to cumki co pilno ri<= br> > tu'i la'e zoi url http://genrei.lojban.org/ url toi

mi stidi lo'u fi'o panji le'u be se ba'i zo du'o = .i la camxes na
djuno

ni'o mi kanpe lo se draci mu'u la'o zoi
https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play= /browse_thread/thread/2b6d0a783fb0c76c#
zoi .i ji'a mi kanpe lo xanri javni mu'u la'o zoi
https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play= /browse_thread/thread/bfe010755f7a6559#
zoi .i ku'i za'a do finte le junri javni po le ja'a selkei .i s= e
ki'u bo mi se cfipu

English:

Correction: A "se cusku" cannot be an actor [i.e. something with = a
te zu'e, a goal], nor a speaker; huh?

I think you might want to use "fi'o pajni" there, as camxes i= s not
something that can know things.

Moving on, I expected a theme, like
https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play= /browse_thread/thread/2b6d0a783fb0c76c#,
and I expected a fantasy rule, like
https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play= /browse_thread/thread/bfe010755f7a6559#,
but you seem to have provided a serious rule for the game itself,
therefore I'm confused.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

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