From lojban+bncCMGclZyxExDS3oPvBBoErgYD_g@googlegroups.com Sat May 28 05:49:36 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QQIxR-0007yI-BL; Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:36 -0700 Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19sf3523887yie.16 for ; Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GzOoDT4/MGmZY3PTeVu2XuPjHHfMi8B+6dqDdWapDT4=; b=PQv1kjqy4DOtdNW0/f1tar/NLxpNaYAePZ2UQ3GxAyG2lCUNROuDlNLBlM+5N1dkY8 K6THemgdRH0oIO57RYKPN3a7+5GqiYGIqb+ltUkNtj+aTf5fFgDjKeiYrlK9TSnv4dYL Q6lm1t6FrXu4XwlukmFSpCewPHaJnKNDiYjZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ykBOgrSE3GS2+1m9+N7Mc/7jTanroOXmMiv18Vl3EmjfCmpiei99yt8Aa2sVluy+L/ +zhzNzGjVXcEs8KuyQ2xT1Zow27pElpYjwJHb6beXcBBJtrlO2h73YUS+mnQNgbl4o5L OfTqL6w+MJzp1kCh1TTpvpjCstK6v/lYSOxcw= Received: by 10.91.121.20 with SMTP id y20mr438147agm.57.1306586962650; Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.47.17 with SMTP id z17ls557171agj.0.gmail; Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.40.26 with SMTP id n26mr439710agn.37.1306586961754; Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 05:49:21 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100401 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.5.9,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <08d1ce1c-1d1c-451f-abbe-5e7f99ea79e1@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] "part of things" fallacy From: Escape Landsome To: lojban X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, I read in the "lo no" thread that there was a "part of things" fallacy. Imho, this is only due to a "holistic" property of selbri, that is : an assertion can be valid concerning a sum of things without the same assertion holding for each things (parts). For instance, let's say A is a half-car, and B the symmetrical other half of the car, then A+B is the complete car, and : A does not ride B does not ride but A+B rides There was a point whether rational numbers should be regarded as (possible) non-null quantitative, I think this should be the case when the thing that it refers to is parted symmetrically. For instance, a plane has a plane (no pun intended) of symmetry, so speaking of a 1/2 plane is valid to me, provided the plane is cut along its symmetry plane. Similarly, you would speak of p/n applepie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.