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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, neither cars nor planes are symmmetrical in the desired way, but I ta= ke=20 this is not really the point, which is to make a case for non-integer numri= cal=20 internal quantifiers.=A0 As for the "part of things" fallacy, I don't see h= ow it=20 is made, since we explicitly make the distinction wherever needed.=A0=A0 To= the main=20 point, however, I need only(I hope) that the internal quantifiers are cardi= nals,=20 a count ot things, which -- some popular usage to the contrary notwithstand= ing=20 -- can only be by wholes.=A0 What we=A0 can do in Lojjban is make parts (pa= gbu?) the=20 wholes which are counted.=A0 So one pie may also be represented=A0as 8 slic= es or one=20 plane as a left half and a right (somewhat less naturally) and so on, as=20 needed.=A0 I seem to recall=A0 their are yet other devices for doing this, = but am=20 still flying blind. ----- Original Message ---- From: Escape Landsome To: lojban Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 8:49:21 AM Subject: [lojban] "part of things" fallacy Hello, I read in the "lo no" thread that there was a "part of things" fallacy.=A0 Imho, this is only due to a "holistic" property of selbri, that is : an assertion can be valid concerning a sum of things without the same assertion holding for each things (parts). For instance, let's say A is a half-car, and B the symmetrical other half of the car, then A+B is the complete car, and : A does not ride B does not ride but A+B rides There was a point whether rational numbers should be regarded as (possible) non-null quantitative, I think this should be the case when the thing that it refers to is parted symmetrically. For instance, a plane has a plane (no pun intended) of symmetry, so speaking of a 1/2 plane is valid to me, provided the plane is cut along its symmetry plane. Similarly, you would speak of p/n applepie. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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