From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRD12JTvBBoE3o-6oQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 10:59:31 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRTE0-00053N-3E; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:30 -0700 Received: by yxd5 with SMTP id 5sf6876597yxd.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=9R5MAQ/0e3zT/jptel2zWsXMe9KWL70eQuNt/qexSFw=; b=E7qZlAVROHeu/rwq9e+3+0pVAww32fdlI/NeoYFCPqtqa4XmKLDO+nlPTzZaBoARMS Du/fdMH8EkV+IEIbsXwUmtYqvqc5rBmu/0j9FV/cAt1NuOiV4GgPAsGR8FXngbqvRPBz mKqG29myH47RT9cehQFb8y6xe+RN4FETpbPZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=6wVgAdp0WTFnan+xJS+AAndZpYmBQ9B4+WUyLFFNJAVjiidC9Fb7qCBw6Yy77Cm/Jh /5GTVjCl1EvvIbp2NLKCgncfGJVgWUYVNsajeYx96rseVHoaesXevyyTAThGHULqb3Bt 2uvlxH5vGU8d1mP9vXEJj4MpOLRjRkukxK7aw= Received: by 10.146.187.33 with SMTP id k33mr789308yaf.27.1306864757550; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.190.1 with SMTP id n1ls4167658ybf.7.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.190.129 with SMTP id e1mr4232409yhn.11.1306864756297; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.190.129 with SMTP id e1mr4232408yhn.11.1306864756283; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id j21si67330yhi.3.2011.05.31.10.59.16; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.17 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.17; Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 17:59:15 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.106] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 17:59:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 17:59:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 950263.21456.bm@omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85366 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2011 17:59:15 -0000 Message-ID: <456619.53025.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4xnK6HQVM1noS1z6BNymN9BN.00uj1qiiR_o4tdn3kZhXHy uFIuK1E524dwNt2cz1fnpSYijm8gDa5fCEEPB9CDo6gZJBOQuzPszl6yRQhD 4IBY0X_O9DVNjljQnSG1ZDb5WhNhX0k2EC27pIkkvcVUngefjsdyd2zuitXh ILPtBX2ntFXoovVP.Tm0nYsLWoADWUDy4QAkwXwCQQjQHsK_7fdlD3x4hxMh LGELs0uj8oreLJvnASBQbqhz0ebFNApvg7OCtanGLCVNN0EgD0po2QR4OyHl 8BCeh8VfjtfH7pgMW_wmCrF4pCZ56mNNCkYk3ACqLW.gmHX7HlFRXm4befcE xIdZptbYQKOSRbclHOjAwv3XtS2WIzJ1YZSrafk1ITfZwuBM0zHiKut9RAEt jjyJKhULG0UPkPHKV8V4u4VyOdwufHMirzHQ1bxkO0bgmJfh1B8NCk6dhkpr 5.P8VxH3Qu5l4_xMGSrkCBBRGTMY2e_scn40lk5yyi2_BtF8Rv664Ralh Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: <201105311203.46300.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] sedu'o no natfe... To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <201105311203.46300.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Since a recently concluded (?) discussion resulted (I think) in the declaration that {lo no ...} is automatically suspect, even meaningless, I suppose the second version should be eliminated, although the rest of the sentence does seem to allow for some aberrence. ----- Original Message ---- From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 11:03:44 AM Subject: [lojban] sedu'o no natfe... One of my sigs is "sedu'o no natfe puze'e noroi nalselganse srera". I'm not sure if I said that right. 1. Should it be "sedu'o no natfe" or "sedu'o lo no natfe"? If the latter, the third is moot. 2. Is it "puze'e" or "ze'epu"? 3. Should "sedu'o no natfe" be before or after "noroi"? Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.