From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCjhJXvBBoEoLSj7A@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 12:32:04 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUfX-0005QX-Fs; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:32:03 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf13457255wya.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=y4/CjWfnrgeG/mvD7S9hYerFkgYAMvpok//3o1ffmmI=; b=haHFQruQIXVn39kimO65RnriV/3uSnQS9rtxmhz0ltKeJIZHI9JjX3TpUVPkxZsEVT soT5JMvuFoDF8BnSHifEAdwF5TiLkL+A2Un5vM10dmFMOZGNt5qJjO4FJCIOLIIs2+kn Fij0tlATCs6AuPA7WZSrN97BTmvkq0MjFG52Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pBM1EfkeMxmeSLONIiuCMiMWccVumUUy7zRi1IUJdinNl7JAexoCtaFgtVtU3NFJnl pWEbHbwsYLyCKwcy0x4y0paTOlinXZugIi3bx7+6F1yYC2ow873GMeFqDRY3b/zCyS2s yfgeH/wkTG2WiseI6/afNNxuwmoBSsQpVoRpY= Received: by 10.216.231.98 with SMTP id k76mr1652467weq.22.1306870307778; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.25.35 with SMTP id y35ls716159eey.2.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.10.215 with SMTP id 63mr1597426eev.42.1306870306284; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.10.215 with SMTP id 63mr1597424eev.42.1306870306257; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f177.google.com (mail-ey0-f177.google.com [209.85.215.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x46si262022eeh.2.2011.05.31.12.31.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.177; Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so1977336eyh.36 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.33.148 with SMTP id q20mr2244366eea.91.1306870305435; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.8 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.8 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110528045431.GQ11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528171828.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528175221.GT11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531184223.GG11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531190228.GI11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:31:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pamoi javni From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd25b7252b1b404a49774af --000e0cd25b7252b1b404a49774af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So just think of it as a nomic with a few starter rules. It sounds like even those starter rules can be changed with 2/3 votes On May 31, 2011 3:26 PM, "Michael Turniansky" wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:00:35PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>> wrote: >>> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>> >> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> I thought someone suggested that the community as a whole act >>> >> >> as a judge the first round... >>> >> > >>> >> > I didn't see that, nor does it sound like very much fun to me. >>> >> > >>> >> >> I'd be willing to judge, but I don't think I'm qualified... >>> >> > >>> >> > I don't think it matters. :) >>> >> > >>> >> > -Robin >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> mi radji'i lo du'u mi na jimpe s'uo da lo di'u te galfi be fi lo >>> >> la pitr.subr. javni >>> > >>> > >>> > "I admit that I don't understand the results of the last utterance >>> > [by which I assume you actually mean Alex's rule posting, which is >>> > not di'u] operating on the Peter Suber rules" >>> > >>> >>> Not exactly "lo di'u te galfi..." is "the variant of Peter Suber's >>> rules" pe di'u, i.e. associated with the last utterance. >> >> Ah, OK; my bad. Peter Suber's rules didn't really have anything to >> do with FRC, except at many removes, so I got confused. >> >> -Robin > > > Which is in turn, why I am confused. To call something "Nomic", when > it really isn't (especially since there potentially aleph-null things > that ARE), is confusing to me. So how does one play this > "pretending-to-be-Nomic" game? For example, even though I've never > played Agora ( http://www.agoranomic.org/ ) , as least Agora is > recognizable as being a Nomic, although probably more complex than the > governing of some real world micronations! (current ruleset at > http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt ) > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd25b7252b1b404a49774af Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So just think of it as a nomic with a few starter rules.=A0 It sounds li= ke even those starter rules can be changed with 2/3 votes

On May 31, 2011 3:26 PM, "Michael Turniansk= y" <mturniansky@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM= , Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:00:35PM -040= 0, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 P= M, Robin Lee Powell
>>> <rlpowell@di= gitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 a= t 02:08:47PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>>> >> On S= at, May 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>>> >> <rl= powell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>> >> > On S= at, May 28, 2011 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn
>>> >= > > wrote:
>>> >> >> I thought someone suggested that the communi= ty as a whole act
>>> >> >> as a judge the first ro= und...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I didn&#= 39;t see that, nor does it sound like very much fun to me.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I'd be wil= ling to judge, but I don't think I'm qualified...
>>> &= gt;> >
>>> >> > I don't think it matters. = =A0 :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Robin
>>= > >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> mi rad= ji'i lo du'u mi na jimpe s'uo da lo di'u te galfi be fi lo<= br> >>> >> la pitr.subr. javni
>>> >
>>&= gt; >
>>> > "I admit that I don't understand the= results of the last utterance
>>> > [by which I assume you = actually mean Alex's rule posting, which is
>>> > not di'u] operating on the Peter Suber rules">>> >
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0Not exactly "= ;lo di'u te galfi..." is "the variant of Peter Suber's >>> rules" pe di'u, i.e. associated with the last utteran= ce.
>>
>> Ah, OK; my bad. =A0Peter Suber's rules didn= 't really have anything to
>> do with FRC, except at many remo= ves, so I got confused.
>>
>> -Robin
>
>
> Which is in turn, wh= y I am confused. To call something "Nomic", when
> it real= ly isn't (especially since there potentially aleph-null things
> = that ARE), is confusing to me. So how does one play this
> "pretending-to-be-Nomic" game? For example, even though I&#= 39;ve never
> played Agora ( h= ttp://www.agoranomic.org/ ) , as least Agora is
> recognizable as= being a Nomic, although probably more complex than the
> governing of some real world micronations! (current ruleset at
>= http://agora.qoid.us/curr= ent_flr.txt )
>
> --gejyspa
>
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