From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCYkJXvBBoEBwEzpQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 12:57:28 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRV47-0003y1-BC; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:28 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf8463232qwh.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5z1ktgo+Y8zSRZUQBteMqiCOa4DIe/fne7Qx/puQb/A=; b=uvKhOu1OvHBIVkYg6PTSD8vhA8usOhmS47U8rN206YCD+XJnTF3raF5qRH5xicvuR7 mKGGa6iKMAKVSa4xM12yscm7ZxvTB+FGNSyo2ackvhxeaM34oNlEAztuLw0Uz/F2qkB4 D6a9qEFdldPqY6kpDFR/CZdjisdAXtBqDEnrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Flhu0sSXV8hmPQRHE8jQdIR3lTvCD1JdNvRuF8GEXrW09+Hi7qpK5JUeIolNObNJl0 aHgoPXzTDbVTsWmqMxmCBDxDDWVi1ZMWIMHwLYaTjf8GWUP/eqqrMH93ZOpMPy1vrSFv P2/fXrVfklhyDmZcVSUGnHKhwCmszD3/shels= Received: by 10.224.64.164 with SMTP id e36mr1739520qai.57.1306871832027; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.182.134 with SMTP id cc6ls1192557qab.4.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.192.193 with SMTP id dr1mr2128112qab.9.1306871831617; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.192.193 with SMTP id dr1mr2128111qab.9.1306871831603; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f45.google.com (mail-qw0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx39si316768qcb.2.2011.05.31.12.57.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.45; Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so3683858qwj.18 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.196.67 with SMTP id ef3mr3085067qab.157.1306871831157; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.34.83 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110528045431.GQ11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528171828.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528175221.GT11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531184223.GG11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531190228.GI11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pamoi javni From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ALL Nomics have starting rules. I just don't GET these! --gejyspa On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > So just think of it as a nomic with a few starter rules.=A0 It sounds lik= e > even those starter rules can be changed with 2/3 votes > > On May 31, 2011 3:26 PM, "Michael Turniansky" wro= te: >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:00:35PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>>> wrote: >>>> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>> >> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> I thought someone suggested that the community as a whole act >>>> >> >> as a judge the first round... >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I didn't see that, nor does it sound like very much fun to me. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> I'd be willing to judge, but I don't think I'm qualified... >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I don't think it matters. =A0 :) >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -Robin >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> mi radji'i lo du'u mi na jimpe s'uo da lo di'u te galfi be fi lo >>>> >> la pitr.subr. javni >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > "I admit that I don't understand the results of the last utterance >>>> > [by which I assume you actually mean Alex's rule posting, which is >>>> > not di'u] operating on the Peter Suber rules" >>>> > >>>> >>>> =A0 =A0Not exactly "lo di'u te galfi..." is "the variant of Peter Sube= r's >>>> rules" pe di'u, i.e. associated with the last utterance. >>> >>> Ah, OK; my bad. =A0Peter Suber's rules didn't really have anything to >>> do with FRC, except at many removes, so I got confused. >>> >>> -Robin >> >> >> Which is in turn, why I am confused. To call something "Nomic", when >> it really isn't (especially since there potentially aleph-null things >> that ARE), is confusing to me. So how does one play this >> "pretending-to-be-Nomic" game? For example, even though I've never >> played Agora ( http://www.agoranomic.org/ ) , as least Agora is >> recognizable as being a Nomic, although probably more complex than the >> governing of some real world micronations! (current ruleset at >> http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt ) >> >> --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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