From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDhkpXvBBoEM8A90g@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 13:02:57 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRV9Q-0004Ob-Ak; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:56 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf8779955fxm.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=UbPYUh/EOUzAbNPgyycfhW2wU6RS305skAhunTPcfjQ=; b=gBLn+H5X7fcWHQOZ6j2MNLoBv5lhHmgbJk6A47QAYxBhGGofQ9NpO1gByai4jaUpZt 0pNxMntcbYSpsfURRn2OQFyewSQLoLEKdMqE59/wQyBDzLebYs2LiuyadKh/KLwyHqXp rgYB1vKjhWJkc/Yb8M1Qz4el/k1uVjEukz3e0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=T7+cDgZbE5858fz+lqiLTjHpiuogGondZkR/AUtogkvuR3Gh6X2mCR/Ep54H9M0iqM 4IUtOfNLACkZ0QkcU73+COexI1nFu7WROaYLziou3Xvw9SCNNb98F6psk0KCg1Fvz9bo elVl3vZbFYmkU8BDfSJcD+AriJ+xRZHy01eRo= Received: by 10.223.15.20 with SMTP id i20mr1212714faa.7.1306872161104; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.25.139 with SMTP id z11ls717240eez.0.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.2.25 with SMTP id 25mr1618802eee.5.1306872160192; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.2.25 with SMTP id 25mr1618801eee.5.1306872160164; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f175.google.com (mail-ey0-f175.google.com [209.85.215.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x47si280047eef.1.2011.05.31.13.02.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.175; Received: by mail-ey0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 27so2033187eye.20 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.35.157 with SMTP id u29mr2519303eea.123.1306872158648; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.8 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.8 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110528045431.GQ11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528171828.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528175221.GT11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531184223.GG11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531190228.GI11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pamoi javni From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a0016c87a7a04a497e279 --0016e65a0016c87a7a04a497e279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What's not to get. It's basically a starting ruleset that says "let this game be divided up into smaller, shorter games called 'rounds' with round specific rules which expire at the end of the 'round'" If anyone stops making new rules for a full week then they are "out". Last person standing "wins" the round and a new round begins On May 31, 2011 3:57 PM, "Michael Turniansky" wrote: > ALL Nomics have starting rules. I just don't GET these! --gejyspa > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> So just think of it as a nomic with a few starter rules. It sounds like >> even those starter rules can be changed with 2/3 votes >> >> On May 31, 2011 3:26 PM, "Michael Turniansky" wrote: >>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>> wrote: >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:00:35PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>>> >> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> I thought someone suggested that the community as a whole act >>>>> >> >> as a judge the first round... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I didn't see that, nor does it sound like very much fun to me. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> I'd be willing to judge, but I don't think I'm qualified... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I don't think it matters. :) >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -Robin >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> mi radji'i lo du'u mi na jimpe s'uo da lo di'u te galfi be fi lo >>>>> >> la pitr.subr. javni >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > "I admit that I don't understand the results of the last utterance >>>>> > [by which I assume you actually mean Alex's rule posting, which is >>>>> > not di'u] operating on the Peter Suber rules" >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Not exactly "lo di'u te galfi..." is "the variant of Peter Suber's >>>>> rules" pe di'u, i.e. associated with the last utterance. >>>> >>>> Ah, OK; my bad. Peter Suber's rules didn't really have anything to >>>> do with FRC, except at many removes, so I got confused. >>>> >>>> -Robin >>> >>> >>> Which is in turn, why I am confused. To call something "Nomic", when >>> it really isn't (especially since there potentially aleph-null things >>> that ARE), is confusing to me. So how does one play this >>> "pretending-to-be-Nomic" game? For example, even though I've never >>> played Agora ( http://www.agoranomic.org/ ) , as least Agora is >>> recognizable as being a Nomic, although probably more complex than the >>> governing of some real world micronations! (current ruleset at >>> http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt ) >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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What's not to get. It's basically a starting ruleset that says &= quot;let this game be divided up into smaller, shorter games called 'ro= unds' with round specific rules which expire at the end of the 'rou= nd'"

If anyone stops making new rules for a full week then they are "out= ". Last person standing "wins" the round and a new round beg= ins

On May 31, 2011 3:57 PM, "Michael Turniansk= y" <mturniansky@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> ALL Nomics have starting rule= s. I just don't GET these! --gejyspa
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>&g= t; So just think of it as a nomic with a few starter rules.=A0 It sounds li= ke
>> even those starter rules can be changed with 2/3 votes
>>=
>> On May 31, 2011 3:26 PM, "Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:=
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>>&= gt; <rlpowell@digitalking= dom.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:00:35= PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell
&= gt;>>>> <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue,= May 31, 2011 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>>>>> >> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Robin Lee Po= well
>>>>> >> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>>>= ;> >> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Alex Rozensht= eyn
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> = >> I thought someone suggested that the community as a whole act
&= gt;>>>> >> >> as a judge the first round...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I = didn't see that, nor does it sound like very much fun to me.
>>= ;>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> I'= ;d be willing to judge, but I don't think I'm qualified...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I = don't think it matters. =A0 :)
>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> > -Robin
>>>>> >>= >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> mi radji'= ;i lo du'u mi na jimpe s'uo da lo di'u te galfi be fi lo
>= ;>>>> >> la pitr.subr. javni
>>>>> >=
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "I admit that I= don't understand the results of the last utterance
>>>>= > > [by which I assume you actually mean Alex's rule posting, whi= ch is
>>>>> > not di'u] operating on the Peter Suber rules&= quot;
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>&= gt;> =A0 =A0Not exactly "lo di'u te galfi..." is "the= variant of Peter Suber's
>>>>> rules" pe di'u, i.e. associated with the last= utterance.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, OK; my bad. =A0Pete= r Suber's rules didn't really have anything to
>>>> = do with FRC, except at many removes, so I got confused.
>>>>
>>>> -Robin
>>>
>>>=
>>> Which is in turn, why I am confused. To call something &qu= ot;Nomic", when
>>> it really isn't (especially since = there potentially aleph-null things
>>> that ARE), is confusing to me. So how does one play this
&g= t;>> "pretending-to-be-Nomic" game? For example, even thoug= h I've never
>>> played Agora ( http://www.agoranomic.org/ ) , as least Agora is
>>> recognizable as being a Nomic, although probably more complex = than the
>>> governing of some real world micronations! (curren= t ruleset at
>>> http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt )
>>>
>>> --gejyspa
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