From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEP-Blu8EGgQn_Wzf@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 17:00:15 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRYr4-0002HC-Oa; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:00:14 -0700 Received: by pwi1 with SMTP id 1sf2724409pwi.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=0wXY3cE0cgZjDhumi4PZG6shxM0uQLxvzLDQMqbTsE0=; b=Mh+wtueOzMMc8aYXQKNJz/gKNmeXq01WNZn51uo2bWZHrAAAXZY0A4UR7b3/kAt+c8 4JtiR/Ph4Vxito0BrCWPs0HSDCGZH4n8UJO4wDFacAHWXVQTfH2os3lZQg/TdJO/CHs/ i8VJx2PeWpBCna/UBSVRyalznAaZD7kn2oUN8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=lwF67VdxxV7xEVWYkIxIo1dxvMiqIyKucvm3VpwVtqRMNqTKWGhTYAH3rBPxa2fYv2 mkUEAKA34SZRuUyLScL+MGgTD9sz7VdXTQgmSOZgDLcnQOtbfIkPJFAPjjXh4SmrBchF dLBwY2eMbfys41NLLvO5MsAc+uYVZgo/7hkww= Received: by 10.68.69.82 with SMTP id c18mr522113pbu.36.1306886399605; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.36.67 with SMTP id o3ls3247462pbj.0.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.28.228 with SMTP id e4mr1483694pbh.10.1306886398790; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.28.228 with SMTP id e4mr1483693pbh.10.1306886398775; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si850103pbn.1.2011.05.31.16.59.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRYqq-0002Dp-PK for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:59:56 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban][nomik] remoi javni Message-ID: <20110531235956.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 07:37:07PM -0400, .arpis. wrote: > .i drani > .i nilji'a sumji fi li ni'u pi mu ki'u lo du'u pe'i ge lo jbobau cusku "the lojbanic speaker" > lo > glibau cusku na smuni dunli gi ge lo se go'i {lo se go'i} here refers to the (unfilled) x2 of {.i drani} > noi se se curmi da'i ke'a ku'o na ka'e gasnu gi drata ki'a sai > ni'o glibau co'e zoi gy > > VALID > -0.5 points, because the lojban meaning is not the same as the english (ta'o > is there a way to say that more concisely in lojban than what I said), {le lojbo na xamgu panra le glico} is probably what I've had said. > and because the second sumti is not an agent (and doesn't fit in > the first place of {curmi}), Had to go back and find the original; quoting it would have made things easier. Anyways, it was {ko'a se curmi lo nu javni zbasu ze'i lo su'e djedi be li pa} How I would have rendered your objection: {lo fasnu na curmi} Further levels of explicit include using {da poi fasnu} and {na sumti zo curmi li ci}, and possibly throwing in a {mapti} > Also, if we assume {curmi} rather than {se curmi}, ko'a is not specified to > be "players in the game", and I would read it more like "someone", and that > someone is giving the permission, not being the one permitted. Yeah, {lo kelci} would be better. > It's also not clear whether you mean that each person may post a > rule no more than once every day, or that each day no more than > one person may post a rule. Indeed; make that {ro kelci}. {ze'i lo su'e djedi be li pa} is pretty iffy in general; {su'e} is in a very weird place there. Here's my version, fwiw: {ro kelci cu finti su'e pa javni .e'a ze'i ro djedi be li pa} And now that we apparently have a judge (although no theme ;'( ) I suppose I should stop kibbitzing and make a rule, huh? -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.