From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDflZbvBBoE0ZZogg@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 17:42:23 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRZVr-0005as-Kl; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:23 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf8981577fxm.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BkGppS+mdJvbhDtHzyGwip+XlHUXg6mJ8zSoSos6Dck=; b=D0yFuoxBYC1Du80OUKdabl3oWdxby/ge6VrTe4iZpPGc/AnJN1BWQ396JLJqAKvoWF nm7ws+yDEOdJ5weksE144SOWLwOI/azKKozZd2zPM//7WtdXtn6Hj/AGwdsSIRb8Sy2T J67JVLyxf6EEr7PTzholWyQ01f15uFSNb9Gkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=tCoI8sRznCJpssCCJct+Nx4jqmAGOorY7bZijySwjSoeZUjHOD4kLm7cVxSqMNIoQU 3fZSv9iT5y/tnymxggv04l5rKCW6FDUAenJLSion5du4gN3s0JupL+kVPzCyKP4BoNz0 4VxzuIuuitIzBKexbegPIUJoSc+QVAGYIVMDc= Received: by 10.223.100.79 with SMTP id x15mr866792fan.1.1306888927779; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.16.207 with SMTP id p15ls2551894bka.3.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.45.205 with SMTP id g13mr862622bkf.15.1306888926413; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.45.205 with SMTP id g13mr862621bkf.15.1306888926382; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2si103572fat.1.2011.05.31.17.42.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.44; Received: by mail-bw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 13so7140684bwz.17 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.189.209 with SMTP id df17mr6294007bkb.75.1306888924954; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.166.130 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110531235956.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110531235956.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:42:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban][nomik] remoi javni From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b397dd4e321fea304a49bca61 --485b397dd4e321fea304a49bca61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .ie go'i .i ki'esai .i'o mi ckire fi lo pinka .e lo zgana je lanli se cusku My head hurts from too much thinking today. I need to get back in the habit. I appreciate the criticism, and I think you see why I feel unqualified to judge, but I'll do my best {.i mi xagrai troci}. If we want a theme, I propose {lo cmalu se cusku} (se'i shorter statements tend to be easier to judge (is there a UI I can use to indicate that I have ulterior motives?)) On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 07:37:07PM -0400, .arpis. wrote: > > .i drani > > .i nilji'a sumji fi li ni'u pi mu ki'u lo du'u pe'i ge lo jbobau cusku > > "the lojbanic speaker" > > > lo > > glibau cusku na smuni dunli gi ge lo se go'i > > {lo se go'i} here refers to the (unfilled) x2 of {.i drani} > > > noi se se curmi da'i ke'a ku'o na ka'e gasnu gi drata > > ki'a sai > > > ni'o glibau co'e zoi gy > > > > VALID > > -0.5 points, because the lojban meaning is not the same as the english > (ta'o > > is there a way to say that more concisely in lojban than what I said), > > {le lojbo na xamgu panra le glico} is probably what I've had said. > > > and because the second sumti is not an agent (and doesn't fit in > > the first place of {curmi}), > > Had to go back and find the original; quoting it would have made > things easier. Anyways, it was > > {ko'a se curmi lo nu javni zbasu ze'i lo su'e djedi be li pa} > > How I would have rendered your objection: > > {lo fasnu na curmi} > > Further levels of explicit include using {da poi fasnu} and {na > sumti zo curmi li ci}, and possibly throwing in a {mapti} > > > Also, if we assume {curmi} rather than {se curmi}, ko'a is not specified > to > > be "players in the game", and I would read it more like "someone", and > that > > someone is giving the permission, not being the one permitted. > > Yeah, {lo kelci} would be better. > > > It's also not clear whether you mean that each person may post a > > rule no more than once every day, or that each day no more than > > one person may post a rule. > > Indeed; make that {ro kelci}. > > {ze'i lo su'e djedi be li pa} is pretty iffy in general; {su'e} is > in a very weird place there. > > Here's my version, fwiw: > > {ro kelci cu finti su'e pa javni .e'a ze'i ro djedi be li pa} > > And now that we apparently have a judge (although no theme ;'( ) I > suppose I should stop kibbitzing and make a rule, huh? > > -Robin > > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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My head hurts from too much thinking today. I need to g= et back in the habit. I appreciate the criticism, and I think you see why I= feel unqualified to judge, but I'll do my best {.i mi xagrai troci}.
If we want a theme, I propose {lo cmalu se cusku} (se'i shorter sta= tements tend to be easier to judge (is there a UI I can use to indicate tha= t I have ulterior motives?))

On Tue, May = 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> = wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 0= 7:37:07PM -0400, .arpis. wrote:
> .i drani
> .i nilji'a sumji fi li ni'u pi mu ki'u lo du'u pe'= i ge lo jbobau cusku

"the lojbanic speaker"

> lo
> glibau cusku na smuni dunli gi ge lo se go'i

{lo se go'i} here refers to the (unfilled) x2 of {.i drani}

> noi se se curmi da'i ke'a ku'o na ka'e gasnu gi drata<= br>
ki'a sai

> ni'o glibau co'e zoi gy
>
> VALID
> -0.5 points, because the lojban meaning is not the same as the english= (ta'o
> is there a way to say that more concisely in lojban than what I said),=

{le lojbo na xamgu panra le glico} is probably what I've had said= .

> and because the second sumti is not an agent (and doesn't fit in > the first place of {curmi}),

Had to go back and find the original; quoting it would have made
things easier. =A0Anyways, it was

=A0{ko'a se curmi lo nu javni zbasu ze'i lo su'e djedi be li p= a}

How I would have rendered your objection:

{lo fasnu na curmi}

Further levels of explicit include using {da poi fasnu} and {na
sumti zo curmi li ci}, and possibly throwing in a {mapti}

> Also, if we assume {curmi} rather than {se curmi}, ko'a is not spe= cified to
> be "players in the game", and I would read it more like &quo= t;someone", and that
> someone is giving the permission, not being the one permitted.

Yeah, {lo kelci} would be better.

> It's also not clear whether you mean that each person may post a > rule no more than once every day, or that each day no more than
> one person may post a rule.

Indeed; make that {ro kelci}.

{ze'i lo su'e djedi be li pa} is pretty iffy in general; {su'e}= is
in a very weird place there.

Here's my version, fwiw:

{ro kelci cu finti su'e pa javni .e'a ze'i ro djedi be li pa}
And now that we apparently have a judge (although no theme ;'( ) =A0I suppose I should stop kibbitzing and make a rule, huh?

-Robin


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