From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDj7pbvBBoEt1vDFg@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 20:52:18 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRcTe-0004qh-Lq; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:52:18 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf3064281vws.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:52:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=7HaJdzDPQphzYyPTLW1/O/lH8eM61HJtoZBGFANQAEM=; b=05qOYrIU6jh6UaDlOSAujYATqgudDLhXTC9p8pN+zF8QruRQ6K+4UnLK3ZTwxj0etM nGpZUIRPItbQnEYRSEEfghBzU/fI1+mID0XvWF+gRrVa5vBmIjA8pjwmSNgbVRCqmL4m vcyCPzElw8IjFKg8SeXHLojyYlPMtPt+CV4JI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=wb5KzMszyaPhj5B/hUKydIOLQcOYB8cQuYEgg/48BctJmF7ynFvvasZoD531sZkB34 uyxVqLXpj0hGCmNCoa0PHfQ/F8XoximR9hmCj6YdFbFWEcyuOEkPptbxc7H59Ikv3U6g Zvd6Qeuaf0y40H7+6u9+FIu+i8u6CeL+Fh/DQ= Received: by 10.220.78.3 with SMTP id i3mr860557vck.37.1306900323931; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.96.197 with SMTP id du5ls44601vdb.1.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.226 with SMTP id hf2mr591907vdb.26.1306900321346; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.226 with SMTP id hf2mr591906vdb.26.1306900321339; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ch6si444157vdb.2.2011.05.31.20.51.59; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=oH0_m9M6qa4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=V3izQGCRYwzOIDwGFYcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:60905] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 58/E0-15242-F57B5ED4; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 03:51:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CA62C38 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 23:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] sedu'o no natfe... Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 23:51:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201105311203.46300.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201105312351.56777.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 31 May 2011 18:15:36 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > "no da no de zo'u ..." =3D "ro da naku naku su'o de zo'u ..." =3D "ro da > su'o de zo'u", so your double "no" could be rephrased as: > > sedu'o ro natfe puze'e su'oroi nalselganse srera > > Unless of course "no natfe" is supposed to be embedded in a > subordinate clause, something like "fau lo nu djuno no natfe", in > which case the quantifier cannot jump out to the main clause's prenex. "sedu'o ro natfe puze'e su'oroi nalselganse srera" doesn't sound like it me= ans=20 the right thing. The original IIRR is "As far as we know, we have never had= =20 an undetected error." If I exchange the two no-quantifiers and=20 double-nodulate it, I get "puze'e roroi sedu'u su'o natfe cu nalselganse=20 srera". That still doesn't sound right. So I think it should be "sedu'u lo = no=20 natfe" or some other construction entirely. Any ideas? Pierre --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.