Well, they certainly read faster than I do.

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@g= mail.com>
To: lojban= @googlegroups.com
Sent:= Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:56 AM
Subje= ct: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers

.u'i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu cusku lo glibau = befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi jinvi lo du'u mi cilre tai traji sutra va'o l= o nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo nu mi cilre li'u

2011/5/3 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com= >

.ua .i ganai mi pu djuno lo du'u go'e gi mi tolmo'i .i ku'= i mi ba'e ca jimpe lo du'u lo jei da fi'urgau cu dunli lo jei d= a ctuca .i ku'i pa'a lo nu mi pu so'iroi cusku kei mi se cinri lo nu = lanli ro cmacma tcila be le bangu nagi'e pilno ri .i mi sanji lo du'u la'e = di'u cu nibli lo du'u mi cizra kei lo lojbo

= ; --gejyspa

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:30 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com&g= t; wrote:

But I am a teacher . Sorry if that was not clear; I've come= at it every way I can think of. Any suggestions?

Sent from my= iPad
On May 2, 2011, at 13:50, Michael Turn= iansky <mturniansky@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

<= /div>
I love how you say to Luke "Are you a tea= cher? Your ability to confuse a simple situation is profession-worthy= ", and the proceed to launch into a highly confusing paragraph in this lett= er (as well as many other emails of yours) that always leave me scratching = my head :-) (on the other hand, I understand his question perfectly, so con= fusion is in the eye of the beholder, I guess)

--gejyspa

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/5/2 John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>

I pretty sure it worked itself out over the last 35 years but that it was e= ver
actually summarized somewhere, I doubt. The various meanings were not=
simultaneous, but one evolved into another as we lost interest in one or th= ought
we had solved it, though most have come back from time to time to haunt us.= I
am not sure I could describe all of them but one was collective action (mor= e or
less correctly described over the years), another was something called Mr. = Broda
(for each predicate, broda) which was an intensional object of some sort, present wherever a broda was and it all it parts (Quines infamous lavagai, = more
or less, or some Trobriand islander) and having whatever properties any bro= da
had, another was broda goo, the stuff all brodas were made of (the ex= tensional
analog of Mr. Broda, more or less). That's all I can think of at the = moment,
but there were more and numerous variations on these. Mr. Broda has disappe= ared,
I think, but the collective sense is in xorlo and the goo sense is in
collectives of pieces of brodas. All of them floated around 'lo'.

----- Original Message ----
From: Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com

Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 12:43:52 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers

Dnia poniedzia=B3ek, 2 maja 2011 o 17:33:07 John= E Clifford napisa=B3(a):
> Yucky-poo! I thought we agreed at some point never to use "mass"= again; it has
>
> been used over the years for at least four clearly different things an= d at
>least
>
> as many that were not clear at all. All of the useful notions ha= ve been spun
> off in different ways now, so there is no need for this term.

Is it documented somewhere? I'd rather ask for a pointer than to ask you to=
explain what are those four things etc. for a potentially a millionth time = :)
--
Ecce Jezuch
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One that smiled when he flew over the bay" - S. Tankian

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