From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxD2wPjtBBoEKMzW-w@googlegroups.com Sun May 01 20:09:56 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QGjWB-0005pq-Sk; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:56 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf19879312qyk.16 for ; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=b9rruac/sBLHDasBYQCWKSbZpHbU25ziZQmXYD6HgpI=; b=5ok+T/qrcmOjNsBiZ3wqngKeoHYjWqYlQD+qBfjWBmsI3lswVL2YLLX3Pk1zprqRGN YJh6ZiPOSyn+AoQkquT4IV+bgCytTW1qCKsABd9HC3qAdFaS3xKy5Iu2S4z9tRGTGrbH 8LbrsdCtcT5tlYKkfNjv24dsntroBgAQk+WrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=419OZcPNfpB94QLJPbWzAQc9PNDX822rqeEtPIJl2rgAZB9WpdqCqGeWCfyeejPz+R +K9pKOEAJHmvDTrjSSJ/9LcLNu3lDJhNpnCVLTdCMukJ0PfH8YSixkeOOq7krs9bLjJo axyhWWdzv1BoF/qcUWqoJFyJoPMrgYnY+eix8= Received: by 10.229.68.10 with SMTP id t10mr1155965qci.20.1304305782138; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.205.76 with SMTP id fp12ls1547483qcb.0.gmail; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.69.32 with SMTP id x32mr550284qci.16.1304305781489; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.69.32 with SMTP id x32mr550283qci.16.1304305781471; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r34si1191714qcp.5.2011.05.01.20.09.40; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zBQrDHOGJVa+32FYvZQb0EuBWG+8UjOxCya+IIWDaxY= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=06f_wX4tvc4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=QfPC3iliOhMWAD1utP0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:60549] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 56/5A-29443-3702EBD4; Mon, 02 May 2011 03:09:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FFE14223 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 23:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [CLL Errata] zo ra'o Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 23:09:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201105012309.26265.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 30 April 2011 19:25:45 .asiz. wrote: > Example 6.10 is > " > 6.10) > A: mi ba klama le zarci > B: mi nelci le si'o mi go'i > A: do go'e > " > > > Firstly, {do go'e} is not B's, but A's statement. > > Secondly, being A's statement, the referent of {mi} does not change. > In this example, {go'e ra'o} would mean the same as {go'e}. Correct. > The current text might give the impression that {ra'o} simply swaps > {mi} by {do} in the referenced bridi, which is not the case, is it? > > Apparently, someone noted that and proposed a correction in > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/CLL%2C+aka+Reference+Grammar%2C+Errata > > However, I believe that the "correct correction" approved instead > is in contradiction with the definition of {ra'o} in the CLL, for the > reasons > stated above. You are correct. I think the correct way to correct it is to replace "mi go'i" in B's statement with "go'i ra'o". Also there should be an example of "no'a ra'o". Here's mine: la djan. klama le zdani be vo'a pu le nu la meris. no'a .i la djan. klama le zdani be vo'a pu le nu la meris. no'a ra'o In the first sentence; Mary and John both go to John's house; in the second, Mary goes to her own house. Also "ra'o" makes no sense with "du" and not much with "co'e" (it is possible that "co'e" refers to a bridi that's hard to get at with "go'i" etc.), and it's not clear to me how one should answer a "mo ra'o" question. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.