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boundary="0-1412932477-1304518428=:7604" --0-1412932477-1304518428=:7604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned into a phallomachy a= bout=20 Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} descriptions do not have imp= licit=20 external quantifiers and that {no} wouldn't be an appropriate one even it t= hey=20 did? ________________________________ From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:56 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers .u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. =20 wrote: dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu finti lo pluja lojbo bende .ijonai kelci >lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u noi zvati la .xedbig. > > >.i mu'o mi'e .alyn. > > >On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >> .u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusku mu'i lo nu mi= na >> djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u mi .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cusku .ija'ebo= mi >> la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'i .uinai >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .alyn.post. > >> <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >> >> ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimpe di'u pe la xorxes .e la cribe .i mi pu >> pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'o so'u valsi .i zo'o >> do simlu lo ka cusku lo sampu lojbo >> >> .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. >> On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku lo du'u srera lo nu c= ilre ca lo nu tadni >> .i mi >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu pilno ca lo nu mi cilre .iji'abo m= i ba'e caca'a cilre >> .u'i >> > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjllam= bias@gmail.com> >> > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke Bergen <[2][3]lukeabe= rgen@gmail.com>: > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u'i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .i= pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu >> cusku lo >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi jin= vi lo du'u mi cilre tai traji >> sutra >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo nu mi= cilre li'u >> > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu pilno ca lo nu cilre cu = xagrai ja selte'i ji'asai lo >> ka >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu kei lo tadji >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message because y= ou are subscribed to the >> Google >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Groups "lojban" group. >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send email t= o >> [3][4]lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, sen= d email to >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [4][5]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this group = at >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [5][6]http://groups.google.com/grou= p/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message because you are sub= scribed to the Google >> Groups >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD "lojban" group. >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send email to [7]lojba= n@googlegroups.com. > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [8]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this group at >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [9]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl= =3Den. >> > >> > References >> > >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Visible links >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 1. mailto:[10]jjllambias@gmail.com >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2. mailto:[11]lukeabergen@gmail.com >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 3. mailto:[12]lojban@googlegroups.com >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 4. mailto:[13]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com >> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 5. 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May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned in= to a phallomachy about Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} descr= iptions do not have implicit external quantifiers and that {no} wouldn't be= an appropriate one even it they did?


From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:56 AM=
Subject: Re: [lojban] = xorlo and default quantifiers

.u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodock= ikumazvati.org> wrote:
dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu finti lo pluja lo= jbo bende .ijonai kelci
lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u noi zvati la .xedbig.

.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.

On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Berg= en wrote:
>    .u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusku m= u'i lo nu mi na
>    djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u mi .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cu= sku .ija'ebo mi
>    la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'i .uina= i
>
>    On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .alyn.post.
>    <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wr= ote:
>
>      ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimpe di'u pe la xorxes .e la = cribe .i mi pu
>      pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'o so= 'u valsi .i zo'o
>      do simlu lo ka cusku lo sampu lojbo
>
>      .i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
>      On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Luke Ber= gen wrote:
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku l= o du'u srera lo nu cilre ca lo nu tadni
>      .i mi
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu pilno ca lo nu= mi cilre .iji'abo mi ba'e caca'a cilre
>      .u'i
>      >
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llam= b=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjllambias@g= mail.com>
>      >
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke B= ergen <[2][3]lukeabergen@gmail= .com>:
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF= =BD > .u'i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu
>      cusku lo
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi= nintadni .iku'i mi jinvi lo du'u mi cilre tai traji
>      sutra
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi piln= o lo jbobau ca lo nu mi cilre li'u
>      >
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu piln= o ca lo nu cilre cu xagrai ja selte'i ji'asai lo
>      ka
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu = kei lo tadji
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxe= s
>      >
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