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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_8208168_AHfHjkQAALFyTcFgIQ38bnm8RKI Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:42:26 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.88.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--204566333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1--204566333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 A contest about who has the biggest dick; in general, a pointless display o= f bravado ( cf. Pissing contest, uromachy) Sent from my iPad On May 4, 2011, at 9:17, Luke Bergen wrote: > I'm clear on {lo} but now I'm unclear on the meaning of "phallomachy" so = we'll call this message a wash. >=20 > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E Clifford w= rote: > May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned into a phallomachy= about Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} descriptions do not h= ave implicit external quantifiers and that {no} wouldn't be an appropriate = one even it they did? >=20 > From: Luke Bergen > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:56 AM >=20 > Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers >=20 > .u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau >=20 > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. wrote: > dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu finti lo pluja lojbo bende .ijonai kelci > lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u noi zvati la .xedbig. >=20 > .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. >=20 > On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > > .u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusku mu'i lo nu m= i na > > djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u mi .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cusku .ija'eb= o mi > > la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'i .uinai > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .alyn.post. > > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimpe di'u pe la xorxes .e la cribe .i mi pu > > pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'o so'u valsi .i zo'o > > do simlu lo ka cusku lo sampu lojbo > > > > .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. > > On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku lo du'u srera lo nu = cilre ca lo nu tadni > > .i mi > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu pilno ca lo nu mi cilre .iji'abo = mi ba'e caca'a cilre > > .u'i > > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjlla= mbias@gmail.com> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke Bergen <[2][3]lukeab= ergen@gmail.com>: > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u'i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .= i pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu > > cusku lo > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi ji= nvi lo du'u mi cilre tai traji > > sutra > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo nu m= i cilre li'u > > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu pilno ca lo nu cilre cu= xagrai ja selte'i ji'asai lo > > ka > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu kei lo tadji > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message because = you are subscribed to the > > Google > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Groups "lojban" group. > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send email = to > > [3][4]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, se= nd email to > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [4][5]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegro= ups.com. > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this group= at > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [5][6]http://groups.google.com/gro= up/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message because you are su= bscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD "lojban" group. > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send email to [7]lojb= an@googlegroups.com. > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, send email t= o > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [8]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this group at > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [9]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl= =3Den. > > > > > > References > > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Visible links > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 1. mailto:[10]jjllambias@gmail.com > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2. mailto:[11]lukeabergen@gmail.com > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 3. mailto:[12]lojban@googlegroups.com > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 4. mailto:[13]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegro= ups.com > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 5. 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A contest about who has the biggest di= ck; in general, a pointless display of bravado ( cf. Pissing contest, uroma= chy)

Sent from my iPad

On May 4, 2011, at 9:17, Luke B= ergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm cle= ar on {lo} but now I'm unclear on the meaning of "phallomachy" so we'll cal= l this message a wash.

On Wed, May 4, 201= 1 at 10:13 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
May we infer from the fact tha= t this thread has turned into a phallomachy about Lojban skills that everyo= ne is clear that {lo} descriptions do not have implicit external quantifier= s and that {no} wouldn't be an appropriate one even it they did?


= From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:56 AM

Subject: Re: [lojban] xo= rlo and default quantifiers

.u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockik= umazvati.org> wrote:
dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu finti lo pluja loj= bo bende .ijonai kelci
lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u noi zvati la .xedbig.

.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.

On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
>    .u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusku m= u'i lo nu mi na
>    djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u mi .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cu= sku .ija'ebo mi
>    la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'i .uina= i
>
>    On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .alyn.post.
>    <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
>      ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimpe di'u pe la xorxes .e la = cribe .i mi pu
>      pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'o so= 'u valsi .i zo'o
>      do simlu lo ka cusku lo sampu lojbo
>
>      .i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
>      On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Luke Ber= gen wrote:
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku l= o du'u srera lo nu cilre ca lo nu tadni
>      .i mi
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu pilno ca lo nu= mi cilre .iji'abo mi ba'e caca'a cilre
>      .u'i
>      >
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llam= b=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjllambias@g= mail.com>
>      >
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke B= ergen <[2][3]lukeabergen@gmail= .com>:
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u'i = do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu
>      cusku lo
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi= nintadni .iku'i mi jinvi lo du'u mi cilre tai traji
>      sutra
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi piln= o lo jbobau ca lo nu mi cilre li'u
>      >
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu piln= o ca lo nu cilre cu xagrai ja selte'i ji'asai lo
>      ka
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu = kei lo tadji
>      > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxe= s
>      >
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