From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDclpDuBBoEVLCx2g@googlegroups.com Fri May 06 07:53:33 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QIMPG-0006ar-HP; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:32 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf5307046wya.16 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=e2mkG42xuJc1sA/mXwumJaPxg4yxio01UgLt7axFt9s=; b=tgMxu4u8tkjOMtNhLeU53HGvXVR3QG/cs6ZzDF/6gZBQfqdVxyq6lvrh3Xb1cyeFSk kyWJdg2mbVCb2YIFjBSvvAogUQ5kt7JyPO6BoXJhrN7678yIRYh8F2pmLQ2ZHbiUvBQd kAgLLDOiQFgQ7VrdlIrFhY7zn3k3B+ibD5hxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=oE734r7Ub1izrmH0n4kLIzy3CnMbTEYEycB7rO6Ld+Ub3PMI4TFnTZM0mp3KDiyzNp p4yqLAk3sq3lLwBAW/X+ESjVtSfIUZkAI3duW9k7SBv87Eg926uQbf7IYnCV+X1fdmfI qkpp/WHWgvntlHF4W7wJZwOp1l8B/+asjB4jE= Received: by 10.216.58.130 with SMTP id q2mr380984wec.0.1304693596081; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.41.227 with SMTP id h75ls227443eeb.3.gmail; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.148.70 with SMTP id u46mr608497eej.45.1304693593624; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.148.70 with SMTP id u46mr608495eej.45.1304693593592; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f46.google.com (mail-ew0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v8si634265eev.4.2011.05.06.07.53.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so1256533ewy.5 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.44.197 with SMTP id n45mr1989260eeb.146.1304693593155; Fri, 06 May 2011 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.126.147 with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2011 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201105021943.53482.jezuch@interia.pl> <737349.12591.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <770130C4-1AF0-4060-AC2A-F209952E0AA9@yahoo.com> <20110504130615.GA21885@alice.local> <20110504133954.GB21885@alice.local> <720969.7604.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 10:52:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cf7c229296604a29ca632 --0015175cf7c229296604a29ca632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .u'i xu do djisku zo zmadu .i pe'i bebna fa lo sidbo pe lo du'u tu'a la .lojban. zbasu tu'a la .lojban. .ita'onai mi tugni .i mi mutce go'i .i ja'ebo mi stidi lo nu roma'a zmadu pilno la .xedbib. .a lo drata jbovelsku On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Sorry. That wasn't my intent. I just get a large case of MEGOcity > whenever the talk turns to obscure linguistic points. I have the same > attitude towards lojban that Rabbi Hillel (ca 2000 years ago) had towards > Jewish Law (halachah). To find out what the actual practice of the law i= s, > turn to see what the Jewish people are doing (ex. Babylonion Talmu Pesach= im > 66a). To find out what the definition of lojbanic grammar/words are, see > how it's actually being used. And one can't do that if it's not actually > being used. I.e., less talk /about/ lojban , more talk /in/ lojban. (pe'= i > lo nu tavla fi la lojban kei lo nu tavla ba'e fo la lojban kei lo ka vaj= ni > cu na zbasu). I recognize that not everyone treats lojban as a living > language, however. > --gejyspa > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > >> May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned into a >> phallomachy about Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} >> descriptions do not have implicit external quantifiers and that {no} >> wouldn't be an appropriate one even it they did? >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Luke Bergen >> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:56 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers >> >> .u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. < >> alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >> >>> dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu finti lo pluja lojbo bende .ijonai kelci >>> lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u noi zvati la .xedbig. >>> >>> .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. >>> >>> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> > .u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusku mu'i lo nu >>> mi na >>> > djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u mi .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cusku >>> .ija'ebo mi >>> > la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'i .uinai >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .alyn.post. >>> > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimpe di'u pe la xorxes .e la cribe .i mi pu >>> > pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'o so'u valsi .i zo= 'o >>> > do simlu lo ka cusku lo sampu lojbo >>> > >>> > .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. >>> > On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku lo du'u srera lo n= u cilre ca lo nu >>> tadni >>> > .i mi >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu pilno ca lo nu mi cilre .iji'ab= o mi ba'e caca'a >>> cilre >>> > .u'i >>> > > >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjl= lambias@gmail.com> >>> > > >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke Bergen <[2][3]luke= abergen@gmail.com>: >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u'i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre= .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni >>> cu >>> > cusku lo >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi = jinvi lo du'u mi cilre tai >>> traji >>> > sutra >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo nu= mi cilre li'u >>> > > >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu pilno ca lo nu cilre = cu xagrai ja selte'i >>> ji'asai lo >>> > ka >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu kei lo tadji >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> > > >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message becaus= e you are subscribed to >>> the >>> > Google >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Groups "lojban" group. >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send emai= l to >>> > [3][4]lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, = send email to >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [4][5]lojban+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this gro= up at >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [5][6]http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> > > >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message because you are = subscribed to the >>> Google >>> > Groups >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD "lojban" group. >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send email to [7] >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, send email= to >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [8]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this group at >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [9]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?h= l=3Den. >>> > > >>> > > References >>> > > >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Visible links >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 1. mailto:[10]jjllambias@gmail.com >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2. mailto:[11]lukeabergen@gmail.com >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 3. mailto:[12]lojban@googlegroups.com >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 4. mailto:[13]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googleg= roups.com >>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 5. 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To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015175cf7c229296604a29ca632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .u'i xu do djisku zo zmadu .i pe'i bebna fa lo sidbo pe lo du'u= tu'a la .lojban. zbasu tu'a la .lojban.

.ita= 9;onai mi tugni .i mi mutce go'i .i ja'ebo mi stidi lo nu roma'= a zmadu pilno la .xedbib. .a lo drata jbovelsku

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Michael Tur= niansky <mtur= niansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 Sorry.=C2=A0 That wasn't my intent.=C2=A0 = I just get a large case of MEGOcity whenever the talk turns to obscure ling= uistic points.=C2=A0 I have the same attitude towards lojban that Rabbi Hil= lel (ca 2000 years ago) had towards Jewish Law (halachah).=C2=A0 To find ou= t what the actual practice of the law is, turn to see what the Jewish peopl= e are doing (ex. Babylonion Talmu Pesachim 66a).=C2=A0 To find out what the= definition of lojbanic grammar/words are, see how it's actually being = used.=C2=A0 And one can't do that if it's not actually being used.= =C2=A0 I.e., less talk=C2=A0/about/ lojban , more talk /in/ lojban. (pe'= ;i lo=C2=A0nu tavla fi=C2=A0la lojban kei lo nu tavla ba'e fo =C2=A0la = lojban kei lo ka vajni cu na zbasu). I recognize that not everyone treats l= ojban as a living language, however.
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On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned into a phalloma= chy about Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} descriptions do no= t have implicit external quantifiers and that {no} wouldn't be an appro= priate one even it they did?

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com<= /a>>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:= 56 AM=20

Subject: Re: [lojba= n] xorlo and default quantifiers

.u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> w= rote:
dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu fin= ti lo pluja lojbo bende .ijonai kelci
lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u n= oi zvati la .xedbig.

.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.

On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> = =C2=A0 =C2=A0.u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusk= u mu'i lo nu mi na
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u m= i .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cusku .ija'ebo mi
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'= ;i .uinai
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .aly= n.post.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org&= gt; wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimp= e di'u pe la xorxes .e la cribe .i mi pu
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'= o so'u valsi .i zo'o
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0do simlu lo ka cus= ku lo sampu lojbo
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i mu'o mi'e = .alyn.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400= , Luke Bergen wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku l= o du'u srera lo nu cilre ca lo nu tadni
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i = mi
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu piln= o ca lo nu mi cilre .iji'abo mi ba'e caca'a cilre
> =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.u'i
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF= =BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjllambias@gmail.co= m>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke Bergen <[2][3]lukeabergen@= gmail.com>:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u= 9;i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu
> = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cusku lo
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF= =BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF= =BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi jinvi lo du'u mi c= ilre tai traji
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sutra
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD = =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD = =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo nu mi cilre li'u> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD = =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu pilno ca lo nu cilre cu xagrai ja selte&= #39;i ji'asai lo
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ka
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF= =BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu kei lo tadji
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&g= t; =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxes
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