From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCeu5DuBBoE_VmuSg@googlegroups.com Fri May 06 09:11:25 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QINce-0005ZI-1k; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:25 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf2839954vxk.16 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Pfdrxe5xuG2sXSz5UCG0CNlZ26XyNage1dSEN0mTnhM=; b=eugf8o/y/pvLR4Wdc5cA+lOZmqkYXJyycNi8ZCGgDs/RDIGBJA5IuWiDUaPLibu/4C piFaHZvlBFsVv6BpWzgxDWNLh9WRLwzrYnSJIPY2VJZZhKD7iI/XCKYv3sRf3po6Iatx KTBYmNWNM1JtLjJSH9m7gu3urjE3tT++EH1lE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zqUc3p5DSn37jL8Df/JU8HFtHHrFOcn28ZOyDrgSs+zHdn0KBs6HDBocr5LRqExB5H rjL53h8/0SJqhPbJlKbl/DgvWa5ib/zYikwPSB5aGicOmyXc+euzQeqTILZIi3hEK6Nc yb+JDJh4I4fM0obUSZwWt8OwhJZ0ZiPw8IdPM= Received: by 10.220.117.139 with SMTP id r11mr467915vcq.18.1304698270191; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.114.139 with SMTP id e11ls356790vcq.4.gmail; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.201 with SMTP id bz9mr741673vcb.19.1304698268242; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.201 with SMTP id bz9mr741672vcb.19.1304698268192; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d1si241084vch.6.2011.05.06.09.11.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.179; Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so2728832qyk.3 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.102.165 with SMTP id g37mr2661563qco.120.1304698266734; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.188.133 with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2011 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201105021943.53482.jezuch@interia.pl> <737349.12591.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <770130C4-1AF0-4060-AC2A-F209952E0AA9@yahoo.com> <20110504130615.GA21885@alice.local> <20110504133954.GB21885@alice.local> <720969.7604.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:11:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002354470674ba52cb04a29dbc59 --002354470674ba52cb04a29dbc59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > .u'i xu do djisku zo zmadu .i pe'i bebna fa lo sidbo pe lo du'u tu'a la > .lojban. zbasu tu'a la .lojban. > > go'e .i mi pu jinvi lo du'u mi pu dragau lo selsku pu lo nu mi benji ri .i li'a mi srera lo du'u go'i --gejyspa > .ita'onai mi tugni .i mi mutce go'i .i ja'ebo mi stidi lo nu roma'a zmadu > pilno la .xedbib. .a lo drata jbovelsku > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry. That wasn't my intent. I just get a large case of MEGOcity >> whenever the talk turns to obscure linguistic points. I have the same >> attitude towards lojban that Rabbi Hillel (ca 2000 years ago) had toward= s >> Jewish Law (halachah). To find out what the actual practice of the law = is, >> turn to see what the Jewish people are doing (ex. Babylonion Talmu Pesac= him >> 66a). To find out what the definition of lojbanic grammar/words are, se= e >> how it's actually being used. And one can't do that if it's not actuall= y >> being used. I.e., less talk /about/ lojban , more talk /in/ lojban. (pe= 'i >> lo nu tavla fi la lojban kei lo nu tavla ba'e fo la lojban kei lo ka va= jni >> cu na zbasu). I recognize that not everyone treats lojban as a living >> language, however. >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E Clifford w= rote: >> >>> May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned into a >>> phallomachy about Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} >>> descriptions do not have implicit external quantifiers and that {no} >>> wouldn't be an appropriate one even it they did? >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Luke Bergen >>> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >>> *Sent:* Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:56 AM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] xorlo and default quantifiers >>> >>> .u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau >>> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. < >>> alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >>> >>>> dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo nu finti lo pluja lojbo bende .ijonai kelci >>>> lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li'u noi zvati la .xedbig. >>>> >>>> .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> > .u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusku mu'i lo n= u >>>> mi na >>>> > djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u mi .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cusku >>>> .ija'ebo mi >>>> > la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'i .uinai >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .alyn.post. >>>> > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimpe di'u pe la xorxes .e la cribe .i mi p= u >>>> > pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'o so'u valsi .i >>>> zo'o >>>> > do simlu lo ka cusku lo sampu lojbo >>>> > >>>> > .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. >>>> > On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku lo du'u srera lo = nu cilre ca lo nu >>>> tadni >>>> > .i mi >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu pilno ca lo nu mi cilre .iji'a= bo mi ba'e caca'a >>>> cilre >>>> > .u'i >>>> > > >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jj= llambias@gmail.com> >>>> > > >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke Bergen <[2][3]luk= eabergen@gmail.com>: >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u'i do tcetce cizra lo jbopr= e .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni >>>> cu >>>> > cusku lo >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi= jinvi lo du'u mi cilre >>>> tai traji >>>> > sutra >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo n= u mi cilre li'u >>>> > > >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu pilno ca lo nu cilre= cu xagrai ja selte'i >>>> ji'asai lo >>>> > ka >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu kei lo tadji >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxes >>>> > > >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message becau= se you are subscribed to >>>> the >>>> > Google >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Groups "lojban" group. >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send ema= il to >>>> > [3][4]lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group,= send email to >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [4][5]lojban+unsubscribe@google= groups.com. >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this gr= oup at >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [5][6]http://groups.google.com/= group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>>> > > >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -- >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD You received this message because you are= subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> > Groups >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD "lojban" group. >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To post to this group, send email to [7] >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD To unsubscribe from this group, send emai= l to >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [8]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD For more options, visit this group at >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD [9]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?= hl=3Den. >>>> > > >>>> > > References >>>> > > >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Visible links >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 1. mailto:[10]jjllambias@gmail.com >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2. mailto:[11]lukeabergen@gmail.com >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 3. mailto:[12]lojban@googlegroups.com >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 4. mailto:[13]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@google= groups.com >>>> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 5. 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On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:
.u'i xu do djisku zo zmadu .= i pe'i bebna fa lo sidbo pe lo du'u tu'a la .lojban. zbasu tu&#= 39;a la .lojban.=20

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go'e .i mi pu=C2=A0jinvi lo du'u mi pu dragau lo selsku=C2=A0p= u=C2=A0lo nu mi benji ri .i li'a mi srera lo du'u go'i
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 --gejyspa
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.ita'onai mi tugni .i mi mutce go'i .i ja'ebo mi stidi lo = nu roma'a zmadu pilno la .xedbib. .a lo drata jbovelsku

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 Sorry.=C2=A0 That wasn't my intent.=C2=A0 I just get a larg= e case of MEGOcity whenever the talk turns to obscure linguistic points.=C2= =A0 I have the same attitude towards lojban that Rabbi Hillel (ca 2000 year= s ago) had towards Jewish Law (halachah).=C2=A0 To find out what the actual= practice of the law is, turn to see what the Jewish people are doing (ex. = Babylonion Talmu Pesachim 66a).=C2=A0 To find out what the definition of lo= jbanic grammar/words are, see how it's actually being used.=C2=A0 And o= ne can't do that if it's not actually being used.=C2=A0 I.e., less = talk=C2=A0/about/ lojban , more talk /in/ lojban. (pe'i lo=C2=A0nu tavl= a fi=C2=A0la lojban kei lo nu tavla ba'e fo =C2=A0la lojban kei lo ka v= ajni cu na zbasu). I recognize that not everyone treats lojban as a living = language, however.
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On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
May we infer from the fact that this thread has turned into a phalloma= chy about Lojban skills that everyone is clear that {lo} descriptions do no= t have implicit external quantifiers and that {no} wouldn't be an appro= priate one even it they did?

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com= >
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43= :56 AM=20

Subject: Re: [lojb= an] xorlo and default quantifiers

.u'i mi ba nelci lo nu kelci .i pe'u ko cfagau

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> w= rote:
dai zo'o ma'a kakne lo n= u finti lo pluja lojbo bende .ijonai kelci
lu ko jimpe ba'e ti li= 9;u noi zvati la .xedbig.

.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.

On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:17:49AM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> = =C2=A0 =C2=A0.u'i va'o lo nu lo sidbo cu vajni mi kei mi sampu cusk= u mu'i lo nu mi na
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0djica lo nu toljimpe cu'u m= i .ija'ebo mi so'aroi sampu cusku .ija'ebo mi
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0la'a masno cirko lo ka kakne lo nu pluja cusku .u'= ;i .uinai
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, .aly= n.post.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org&= gt; wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ni'o .ue.ui mi capu jimp= e di'u pe la xorxes .e la cribe .i mi pu
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pilno lo jbovlaste lo nu sisku lo se valsi po'= o so'u valsi .i zo'o
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0do simlu lo ka cus= ku lo sampu lojbo
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i mu'o mi'e = .alyn.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0400= , Luke Bergen wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mi na djica lo nu cusku l= o du'u srera lo nu cilre ca lo nu tadni
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i = mi
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ji'a bangu piln= o ca lo nu mi cilre .iji'abo mi ba'e caca'a cilre
> =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.u'i
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF= =BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1][2]jjllambias@gmail.co= m>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2011/5/3 Luke Bergen <[2][3]lukeabergen@= gmail.com>:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > .u= 9;i do tcetce cizra lo jbopre .i pe'i so'e lo nintadni cu
> = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cusku lo
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF= =BF=BD =EF=BF=BD glibau
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF= =BD =EF=BF=BD > befi lu mi nintadni .iku'i mi jinvi lo du'u mi c= ilre tai traji
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sutra
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD = =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD va'o lo
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD = =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD > nu mi pilno lo jbobau ca lo nu mi cilre li'u> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD = =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD pe'i lo nu pilno ca lo nu cilre cu xagrai ja selte&= #39;i ji'asai lo
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ka
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF= =BF=BD =EF=BF=BD cilre lo bangu kei lo tadji
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&g= t; =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD mu'o mi'e xorxes
> =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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