From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRD_tpvuBBoEiEfpZQ@googlegroups.com Sun May 08 11:06:05 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJ8Mj-0003H1-Lo; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:06:05 -0700 Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19sf6495242yie.16 for ; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=fkytRvb1pPXMFif5229+8cDcf6nay9WVtkATcR/tbKc=; b=fcTzjvmNBfqXCatuHitlR91/0Ggp7aZGTgfJpDqubc1b0cVxWNP/PqHuRaP7e6IoHy zbfZrHDuAH2mRDXATA9P589ldclfkybmBUbqXwJJ9FTk1Z4fl6g7GS3a2rYjcIYkN/ba WBhkKPkVbciYlO72r5cwFHa5DLCPpQj1pAFbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5oiSGSbqdwU08P8wibdei2nuCe/aDLMsBHbB+Onv0BbIP3M+O8s9t79SUNRi+8Q9Ei DA8+QACNCRopjs9mC+scRx8ZgO9rVmb3fWvtThzKICyqXRFzUTb4yMWHEX46Jh5tYnII 3CKG9Gpl7XxHmNrRwUUFZEqsg4TC9dfV+nSRI= Received: by 10.150.31.15 with SMTP id e15mr745285ybe.70.1304877951761; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.135.9 with SMTP id i9ls2767934ybd.4.gmail; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.177.34 with SMTP id c22mr1332597yhm.30.1304877951037; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.177.34 with SMTP id c22mr1332596yhm.30.1304877951012; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.219]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id b8si1056512yhn.10.2011.05.08.11.05.49; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.219 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.219; Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 18:05:49 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 18:05:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 18:05:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 730986.43808.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2285 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2011 18:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <444250.90526.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ly0Ho0UVM1nTH4xDldOWTmti.0QHUk.yQPYKOSrHN2NjQSK bDmjnG7ARJg7skpiP2II_ciUHYXiNcvUzMYESHdliaTw6ojwB6faVmHn0kXd u6Qrz2j7nrxzv3C5GqI8Z9_ABveX6MY_WGkDkrj4QnbYz5t_Zy4oGEbcHOXX jKm7LbQUEA2AugZ7WVOmRP2moOpOGGCAaExyVEImm1cKdh8BgFV4lUjdB0wL 7FQMB_6bc7ghjaJwHhPu.Zo6tUirO8Yw9.DbB8TtnD4lQpZGnq_vgNQn2FZL 7pCbH5YjVNclJqZuMTtTZa0AmvJ5.gJV3CXW8o_K891TJGCRVawMS30gjhSG CaVT0QOenj.6FcIAGDx8SCAsqFGgMln.XTktI9YihQWJULN5Vd2YisQqdCke 1_X7mzUVbLn84N5PfdrPUaQYB4pno.FNwY5N5c3C7Bvc.SJRCUtCA6L9x9Ea .ycjm6hJVmGJYxvWsY1BQWVZ5HuMMfNnQyhcD6zRq Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2011 11:05:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] hangeul, again, but for the last time To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.219 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1840652050-1304877949=:90526" --0-1840652050-1304877949=:90526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Since each new writing system adds another layer of difficulty to learning an already not easy language, it seems unlikely that this system will have any pedagogical value. But it is pretty in its way and so has positive aesthetic value, which is not a bad thing. The use of non-standard scripts for Lojban (and every other conlang that gets a following of more than about four) seems primarily to be to create interesting looking displays of texts which might not be all that interesting in Latin script. So a hangul (sorry, I learned stuff a long time ago) version might gussy up a translation of Korean poetry, for example, or even a recipe. Thank you for your efforts. ________________________________ From: la mabycicre'a balsoi To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 12:55:45 PM Subject: [lojban] hangeul, again, but for the last time I kept on my idee to write Lojban in hangeul, or at least in something inspired by hangeul's famous qualities. I realyze with my own eyes that in standart hangeul it was fu****g harsh to do it, so I altered it a little ... Please look at it and tell me if you think my way was wrong as a whole or not . If I was wrong from the begining, then hangeul can be thrown right to the trash, because if it can't help with teaching the most interresting language in the world it's completely useless despite all its qualities. ps:open it with "paint" or it could bring troubles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Since each new writing system adds another layer of diffi= culty to learning an already not easy language, it seems unlikely that this= system will have any pedagogical value.  But it is pretty in its way = and so has positive aesthetic value, which is not a bad thing.  The us= e of non-standard scripts for Lojban (and every other conlang that gets a f= ollowing of more than about four) seems primarily to be to create interesti= ng looking displays of texts which might not be all that interesting in Lat= in script.  So a hangul (sorry, I learned stuff a long time ago) versi= on might gussy up a translation of Korean poetry, for example, or even a re= cipe.  Thank you for your efforts.


From: la mabycicre'a balsoi <guerrier.cachalot@= gmail.com>
To: lojba= n@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 12:55:45 PM
Sub= ject: [lojban] hangeul, again, but for the last time
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I kept on my idee to write Lojban in hangeul, or at least in some= thing inspired by hangeul's famous qualities.
I realyze with my o= wn eyes that in standart hangeul it was fu****g harsh to do it, so I altere= d it a little ...
Please look at it and tell me if you think my way was wrong as a whole= or not .
If I was wrong from the begining, then hangeul can be t= hrown right to the trash, because if it can't help with teaching the most i= nterresting language in the world it's completely useless despite all its q= ualities. 

ps:open it with "paint" or it could bring trouble= s.

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