From lojban+bncCM65n_TLGBCQxpzuBBoEZ-BI7w@googlegroups.com Sun May 08 16:11:28 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJD8E-0001aY-Kg; Sun, 08 May 2011 16:11:27 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf6668744gwb.16 for ; Sun, 08 May 2011 16:11:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z30xXrnNWCKeARWr7Fyv5ZUvx06cJzg9GWLNTvL8qIc=; b=tx9ZO0JvvblFUKnTocn2hHrcaYumujaNMw/nFCurOUS0C25+X7CqbJUUIC1DaxWGia AJ8CcxKlwMbS+of6icR4C7ujNQncQuTmtCpTsucgi/2osFbGNR7wn0ykJF71gW92Frdj QOsvy31+19o7Y+7yYO6qrEAHcXWHxF78NKAeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WxLNJT4xhb4NflmbnbcYpzc+VZ1sDLeuwzz10ipz0r/hmeMDyoE7z09jSVoVZVAWE0 HH6Kg1jkbFXfLKw+UuhyM57katEXHUCzQq8P6O7VKdIBjscfLU03zOBjKZXVLcvfALJW b9ydJLjZfwy0CxY/hsGETPxvcebcMJKzm+wL8= Received: by 10.90.1.10 with SMTP id 10mr606086aga.25.1304896272736; Sun, 08 May 2011 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.33.30 with SMTP id l30ls982577ybj.0.gmail; Sun, 08 May 2011 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.17 with SMTP id r17mr2168974yhg.2.1304896272134; Sun, 08 May 2011 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.127.19 with SMTP id e19msybn; Fri, 6 May 2011 01:10:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.42.232 with SMTP id r8mr387663pbl.0.1304669454270; Fri, 06 May 2011 01:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 35g2000prp.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2011 01:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 01:10:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <139232.35077.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-IP: 208.53.151.187 References: <29de23a7-9c3b-439e-8bc7-57748489baa7@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <139232.35077.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8618bf3d-e530-4d59-9fb1-ca0ac7b6063f@35g2000prp.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Lettorals From: =?UTF-8?B?5LiA56eAIOmZiA==?= To: lojban X-Original-Sender: chenyixiu68@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4=D4=C227=C8=D5, =CF=C2=CE=E710=CA=B121=B7=D6, John E Clifford wrote: > Personally, I've always gone with "handy." > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ivo Doko > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 8:25:16 AM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Lettorals > > On 27 April 2011 14:02, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > Then you have merely shifted the problematic assertion back one > > step. Now 3 does follow from 2a, but 2a doesn't follow from 1. Just > > because something hasn't yet been seen to arise spontaneously, doesn't > > mean it's not easy for someone. No one drove a car before 1850, and > > yet 1000s of millions of people do now... > > Indeed, and people need to go to driving schools and it takes them > months to learn how to drive properly and yet years after that to > completely master it. When a human being sits in the driver's seat for > the first time it could be said that (s)he is confused. It's an > extremely tricky discussion and given my unfortunately still lacking > skill in lojban I'm afraid we're at an impasse. Specifically, the word > I was looking for was not "confusing" exactly and unfortunately I'm > not sure if there's even an appropriate word for it in lojban. What I > meant to say is that a person who has heard nothing but natural > languages since birth will, when confronted with lojban's pronoun > system, find it to be... and that's where I need a word which means > "foreign", "odd" and "strange" but stronger than an English speaker > would find e.g. Arabic or Mandarin foreign, odd and strange. Saying > "very foreign, odd and strange" is one solution I guess but that is a > bit lacking. > > I'm not looking for "foreign" as in "featured in a human culture that > isn't your own", but "featured in no human culture". "Alien" is, on > the other hand, a bit too strong a word for it because it's obviously > not alien - people have invented it. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .ivan. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den. [url=3Dhttp://blog.palungjit.com/microsoftoffice2010/2011/05/04/ office-2010/]office 2010[/url] [url=3Dhttp://bloguay.com/microsoftoffice2010/2011/05/03/ office-2010/]Office 2010 Technical[/url] [url=3Dhttp://homesteadblogger.com/microsoftoffice2010/2011/05/04/ office-2010/]Office 2010 Goods[/url] --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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