From lojban+bncCMqBsa7nERCdlp7uBBoEch73FA@googlegroups.com Sun May 08 23:35:31 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJK3s-0006wh-82; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:31 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf8650500wya.16 for ; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=MBLNvZWTNA4vbQ2FoTreLpZz5FnbmFxP4maxo2M4VjE=; b=hF0fJJTm3vhF4Mlcr+nzSSvlZHaj9nAXSqrU6MDr71W5ZRS5JajK6wVOO8LuJhVBk4 Ha0zRTx+3B4hNcbbrhyxubs+YMtg9zgCBOME23GsqGgj8ZzcuAy2eleivA5K6VHCBNBn 36Vrh8IwI4KOAxK2Re/dcQ4l045wIWWECr40o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=L2vr81NVwyKbNELrKW/+sJyutkrhfMImtc602TEIgYLiDbbsFHnyF2CJBO8IKYcWZ7 CRGVVyONDvJZlHg21o6nSOvWvqlWcXncAMcdEgQJNU/s0j0EEyV3YOfi+Sl2HPZpyste /jH+a/rxG88ZsUSgfohlxCKDIL5J2nceVL0M8= Received: by 10.216.61.73 with SMTP id v51mr2095429wec.28.1304922909742; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.11.92 with SMTP id 68ls363040eew.4.gmail; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.9.4 with SMTP id 4mr1080039ees.11.1304922908621; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.9.4 with SMTP id 4mr1080038ees.11.1304922908596; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y9si1510091eeh.5.2011.05.08.23.35.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.172; Received: by eye13 with SMTP id 13so2131584eye.17 for ; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.126.131 with SMTP id b3mr2882317eei.4.1304922908082; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.123.13 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2011 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3c1a65f9-b605-49d0-b4f6-43215696a204@k17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> References: <3c1a65f9-b605-49d0-b4f6-43215696a204@k17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> From: Ross Ogilvie Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:34:38 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: hangeul, again, but for the last time To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e6ff6176540dd04a2d20a36 --e0cb4e6ff6176540dd04a2d20a36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It looks pretty good, even considering that it was drawn in paint. Do you have a complete mapping of letters? Also in "djica" you seem to go down first, but in "tu'a" you go across. Can you explain how to arrange the letters into blocks? Like Zifre mentioned, typing this with a computer is probably going to be impossible, but it could be fun to handwrite some. *runs off to handwrite some lojban* You should check out or post on http://jbotcan.org/ideas/ . There are a fair number of alternative lojban scripts there. mu'o mi'e ros. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Zifre wrote: > I tried making a Hangul orthography for Lojban once. Hangul is by far > my favorite writing system in the world. > > There were a few problems: > > 1) There aren't enough consonants in Hangul. > > 2) I had to use many obsolete jamo that most computers systems don't > handle well. (They are almost never composed properly into syllable > blocks.) > > 3) Lojban's consonant clusters required the first consonant to go out > front, defeating the purpose of the blocks. > > So I made my own writing system heavily inspired by Hangul that didn't > have these problems. Then I gave up after finding that few > applications supported the TTF features that I used to make the font. > > mu'o mi'e .zif. > > On May 8, 1:55 pm, "la mabycicre'a balsoi" > wrote: > > I kept on my idee to write Lojban in hangeul, or at least in something > > inspired by hangeul's famous qualities. > > I realyze with my own eyes that in standart hangeul it was fu****g harsh > to > > do it, so I altered it a little ... > > Please look at it and tell me if you think my way was wrong as a whole or > > not . > > If I was wrong from the begining, then hangeul can be thrown right to the > > trash, because if it can't help with teaching the most interresting > language > > in the world it's completely useless despite all its qualities. > > > > ps:open it with "paint" or it could bring troubles. > > > > Sans titre.jpg > > 6KViewDownload > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e0cb4e6ff6176540dd04a2d20a36 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks pretty good, even considering that it was drawn in paint.

D= o you have a complete mapping of letters?

Also in "djica" = you seem to go down first, but in "tu'a" you go across. Can y= ou explain how to arrange the letters into blocks?

Like Zifre mentioned, typing this with a computer is probably going to = be impossible, but it could be fun to handwrite some. *runs off to handwrit= e some lojban*

You should check out or post on http://jbotcan.org/ideas/ . There are a fair number of= alternative lojban scripts there.

mu'o mi'e ros.

On Mon, May 9,= 2011 at 5:25 AM, Zifre <kmicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried making a Hangul orthography for Lojban once. Hangul is by far
my favorite writing system in the world.

There were a few problems:

1) There aren't enough consonants in Hangul.

2) I had to use many obsolete jamo that most computers systems don't handle well. (They are almost never composed properly into syllable
blocks.)

3) Lojban's consonant clusters required the first consonant to go out front, defeating the purpose of the blocks.

So I made my own writing system heavily inspired by Hangul that didn't<= br> have these problems. Then I gave up after finding that few
applications supported the TTF features that I used to make the font.

mu'o mi'e .zif.

On May 8, 1:55=A0pm, "la mabycicre'a balsoi"
<guerri= er.cacha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I kept on my idee to write Lojban in hangeul, or at least in something=
> inspired by hangeul's famous qualities.
> I realyze with my own eyes that in standart hangeul it was fu****g har= sh to
> do it, so I altered it a little ...
> Please look at it and tell me if you think my way was wrong as a whole= or
> not .
> If I was wrong from the begining, then hangeul can be thrown right to = the
> trash, because if it can't help with teaching the most interrestin= g language
> in the world it's completely useless despite all its qualities. >
> ps:open it with "paint" or it could bring troubles.
>
> =A0Sans titre.jpg
> 6KViewDownload

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