From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCYwrTuBBoE45djog@googlegroups.com Fri May 13 05:16:39 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f184.google.com ([209.85.212.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QKrII-00058g-Bs; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:39 -0700 Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4sf2481329pxi.1 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=AXwBBziIYpv94NbS7k+FBv2qSHoq6j/GY0nZnrQG+ew=; b=j2Wmdr+EoRF6zKf/DNxIISJJkMa6K/5l5N4/tdhZ8TjS9IyHn6+zNmcBD9aFIMxmhq 8m9S/LZAO8nPfI2aOFQmeTsEOHiq8o5f/DzxFgqjFFRXwQNwFIdBh77GBUhptVuncVkH t5Vwrn7RTLe1dfa5uMuaaBYxOPPN/zMqrtIPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=37SE+G2xGd39pSp1o9ujalr/SzKQ9C5eG643KRJJxEvTDxFIQPRHvzrrZ0FZa8ljOi T5lYRbpCF5e9v7Z6tDG30gTYyUG8KktmBxtTnas+JeGx8+H6sv5Kc6RiTeMWzZUiw5Yj fw99NhwIpxbL3TqDfsbIf+LAVtzOS/QqTc/IA= Received: by 10.142.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr165386wfd.2.1305288984258; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.58.18 with SMTP id l18ls1427996wfk.3.gmail; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.10.18 with SMTP id 18mr570777wfj.26.1305288983220; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.10.18 with SMTP id 18mr570776wfj.26.1305288983192; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41si960414wfa.3.2011.05.13.05.16.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by mail-vw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 12so3090585vws.17 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.116.33 with SMTP id jt1mr1984295vdb.249.1305288982684; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.167 with HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2011 05:16:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4259511.3575.1305274261056.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqmc16> References: <4259511.3575.1305274261056.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqmc16> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:16:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Thinking From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:11 AM, djandus wrote: > I meant there wouldn't be as close of synonyms as in English. As far as I > know, there aren't Lojban words with as close of meaning as "pretty" vs. > "beautiful" or "hard" vs. "difficult". "nandu" vs "tolfrili" > Also, I shifted in my mind, but did not write it, from thinking about > dictionaries to thinking about speech in Lojbanistan. Thus, my example {ko'a > melbi mi} was a good one, where I had in mind two people who know each > other, and the definer points to something specifically pretty and makes his > statement. Assumung the pretty thing is in front of the speaker, how would you tell whether the definer was defining "melbi" or "crane"? But in general, yes, that's how people learn how to use most words in any language, by imitating others. > Anyway, if you could give me an example where a Lojban word is best defined > with the aid of a synonym, that'd be extremely helpful to me. There are many "tol"-pairs: lenku-tolglare, xlali-tolxamgu, cmalu-tolbarda, ... Also there are "sel"- or "ter"-pairs: rirni-selpanzi, cpacu-tersabji, ... Even if they are not always exact synonyms one can often help in defining the other. Then there's things like "jivbu" and "nivji" which seem almost synonymous to me. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.