From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCw1rruBBoE1GyBQQ@googlegroups.com Sat May 14 09:18:08 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QLHXV-0003xB-Np; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:18:07 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf14078224qyk.16 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lzmSd6D4/8v+zt5dPu5z9Uxaxm0kc4+Hb/OYVOxCvrs=; b=Tux5/N0K0n+GuqvzzL7AwoyAXOlfHZJLFyNBywv5JsUkC8sk4CsiviuWl/D4KIt3uj 9rXuGcNBOYPJbQPpo3M93W0R28ybYZl38Y+pwy8jtywEjvxMogWj83dCD+1TgRMsu12b NuKQIgBvrrLH+AOpKDYpEF2TfffmH3G85QNiQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GdVaINv56oipT/tq5jt8Uhaprb0JgJ1ovWiYceodfE57MY44X0R/f0znDK8j2SrfNP 7Wll30ElHJ6sCyT5Ydn+qkZcOPjy6rIdxzU5fU8cd96t57UUQIEWGh1r4sjQYGdWqg23 mdeE0K+sMyeE+WP6e8OtdJRenznrRJ+kn81oQ= Received: by 10.229.48.136 with SMTP id r8mr350316qcf.41.1305389872154; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.208.8 with SMTP id ga8ls955973qcb.2.gmail; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.90.88 with SMTP id h24mr259424qcm.27.1305389871584; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.90.88 with SMTP id h24mr259423qcm.27.1305389871568; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f177.google.com ([209.85.220.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n4si743546qcg.7.2011.05.14.09.17.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.177; Received: by vxd2 with SMTP id 2so3092663vxd.36 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.179.131 with SMTP id dg3mr3962311vdc.9.1305389871153; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.167 with HTTP; Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <977775.67003.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <977775.67003.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:17:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "lo no" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM, John E Clifford wr= ote: >=A0Of course, > grounding the expression in physical reality ("in my pocket" say) does ta= ke you > from the conceptual to the existent, at least in ordinary understanding (= but it > really depends on how you group things: is it {lo dollars} or {lo dollars= in my > pocket}?). Lojban allows to distinguish between them: "ro (lo rupnu ku) poi nenri lo mi daski cu broda" vs "ro (lo rupnu poi nenri lo mi daski) cu broda". In English you can say "any dollars in my pocket" to make sure the first one is understood. I would say "every dollar in my pocket" and "each dollar in my pocket" are somewhat ambiguous, and "all the dollars in my pocket" and "each of the dollars in my pocket" are the ones that most strongly suggest that there are dollars in my pocket. Lojban only has "ro" to cover the several distinctions English makes between any/every/all/each, but it can still distinguish between "each dollar" and "each of the dollars". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.