From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhD_07_uBBoEbqQ_pQ@googlegroups.com Sun May 15 07:58:22 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QLclu-0006Pr-Ko; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:22 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf15322353qyk.16 for ; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=BH84rd2z+BZYPrUBCh75WyGoFUzEGRymDxflnu7n4YY=; b=WMdCRsJVkOncn8dSYr/N91KTj6UJ3/bnb7f5hHrroNhIB6AAg9XjUfqXNtbHt2wFtd h0XmzZB0PU4B75Q2ua8DcDu6iWeM1ogTuodlhpN91Jvv/6MUuls8LH/Kl37gsOGjvUcJ fx62Z0OfueqqgfiLMAWk7DZB9CXzPAnEal/Uk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=uedUoizyzBqvW1cknx0vHn6hee+PkLFN7FafLQ3GzhdZxFhqMM9nQJIKtUxRBRFTNr m49QruL3j9mc8gCs/Br4Y4iMOfDHJQhsRu5f/iKM5ZKPoRQfwjRH5nwHgPZeiOiIrsWE CLFs87y4Hk6tsKVZvgKpzwl4BikEi7b3CRWyQ= Received: by 10.229.88.147 with SMTP id a19mr421424qcm.26.1305471487726; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.157 with SMTP id p29ls1111974qcz.1.gmail; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.69.32 with SMTP id x32mr340957qci.16.1305471487002; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.69.32 with SMTP id x32mr340956qci.16.1305471486977; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w19si933370qco.3.2011.05.15.07.58.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.171; Received: by qyj19 with SMTP id 19so1275330qyj.2 for ; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.127.212 with SMTP id h20mr2522318qcs.78.1305471486804; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.62.78 with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2011 07:58:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "lo no" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175770723c431e04a351c4a5 --0015175770723c431e04a351c4a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Although xorxes and John Clifford seem to understand my point (whether or not they agree), I am least happy that I am formulating my POV in a comprehensible manner. And yet, here I am being sucked in again, because you refuse to leave it go. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:56 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 13 May 2011 16:44, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > > Of course, since you do believe that, I hope you are prepared, > > because all of the trained assassins I am sending your way are deadly. > > You better start worrying about their cardinality. > > "all of the trained assassins" (ro lo broda), given no context, can > mean one thousand (ki'o lo broda) or none (no lo broda) or else. In > any case, it refers to "the trained assassins" (lo broda), something > -- not nothing, not nomei. Then I leave you with a question. If broda = "the trained assassins that I am sending your way", Then "no lo xo broda"? If you insist I can only send you zero OF some trained assassins, then how many assassins am I sending you none OF? Please quanitfy that number for me. For whether you know the answer or not (or indeed, whether one CAN know what the answer is or not), there must be some answer to it. You can always state an inner and outer qualifier. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015175770723c431e04a351c4a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Although xorxes and John Clifford seem to understand m= y point (whether or not they agree), I am least happy that I am formulating= my POV in a comprehensible manner.=A0 And yet, here I am being sucked in a= gain, because you refuse to leave it go.

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:56 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On 13 May 2011 16:44, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


> Of course, since you do believe that, I hope you are prepared,
> because all of the trained assassins I am sending your way are deadly.=
> You better start worrying about their cardinality.

"all of the trained assassins" (ro lo broda), given no cont= ext, can
mean one thousand (ki'o lo broda) or none (no lo broda) or else. In
any case, it refers to "the trained assassins" (lo broda), someth= ing
-- not nothing, not nomei.

=A0 Then I leave you with = a question.=A0 If broda =3D "the trained assassins that I am sending y= our way", Then "no lo xo broda"?=A0 If you insist I can only= send you zero OF some trained assassins, then how many assassins am I send= ing you none OF?=A0 Please quanitfy that number for me.=A0 For whether you = know the answer or not (or indeed, whether one CAN=A0 know what the answer = is or not), there must be some answer to it.=A0 You can always state an inn= er and outer qualifier.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

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