From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCxkpXvBBoEtPmOZg@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 13:02:09 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRV8d-0004CV-GS; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:02:09 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf2677774pxi.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f/mEqVIT+dcBh8knbhqX9imLnDJAM47aC4nZxuhPp+E=; b=JWKNV2g+utPnJN2kWVIBUgf7ZYREeosaZrkT5FaVjEvTxueNw3Xy1ze3bZvfVj6Oaa IZVbKNuMX5OC9rUZBpW7Ujqe4fptPftxovs6jCZdiKN8SXBs9ApSFGcLiJq8kxHB907m sqnBCiprmcchzQaxn9f6jJdvN/MHDodAlQH2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRV8R-0004CF-Eg for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:51 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f174.google.com ([209.85.216.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRV8N-0004Bn-KS for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:51 -0700 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so1475857qyk.19 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.106.69 with SMTP id w5mr4839714qco.41.1306872101824; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.34.83 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:01:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110531185400.GH11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110531185400.GH11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] English explanation of our nomic attempt (it's really very simple) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > OK, so, some of us are trying to play a Nomic game in Lojban. > Nomic, generally speaking, is a game where the basic gameplay is to > change the rules of the game, until some combination of rules claims > that someone has won. > > Open Nomics tend to get incredibly complicated, and can sometimes > run for a very long time (years). =A0I don't much enjoy that, and > that's not what we're playing. > > We're playing a simplified Nomic called Fantasy Rules Committee. > > The main rules for FRC are here: > > https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play/web/regular-ordinances-revised-o= ct-2007 > > but that makes them look a lot more complicated than they are; > here's the super-simplified version: > > =A0There are real rules and fantasy rules; rounds consist of posting > =A0fantasy rules, which must all be consistent with each other; you > =A0can only post a fantasy rule if you have in the past week; at the > =A0beginning, everyone is considered to have posted; last one capable > =A0of posting wins > > Here's the slightly less simplified version: > > - there are real rules/ordinances/{ralju javni}; these are the > =A0actual rules of the game, and require a 2/3 majority to change > > - there are also fantasy rules/{javni}/{draci javni}/{zdile javni}; > =A0posting fantasy rules is how the game is played; they are often > =A0very silly; all fantasy rules that the judge believes do not > =A0contradict other fantasy rules go into force immediately upon > =A0adjudication > > - a round starts with the judge (last round's winner) declaring a > =A0theme for the round; the person with the most score points for the > =A0previous round is the Wizard for the next round, but I've no idea > =A0what this actually does; I assume fantasy rules sometimes refer to > =A0it > Rule 8. The wizard can ALSO bestow style points, from -1 to 1. > - rounds consist of posting fantasy rules, which must all be > =A0consistent with each other, and should be consistent with the > =A0theme > > - the judge declares if a rule is consistent, and awards it score > =A0points for style and consistency with the theme > > - you can only post a fantasy rule if you have in the past week; at > =A0the beginning, everyone is considered to have posted > > - the last person capable of posting wins; this means that each > =A0round continues until interest wears out, at which point people's > =A0weeks of allowed posting start expiring, and the last one who > =A0posted a rule when everyone else has expired wins > > We're playing it mostly in Lojban. =A0People are welcome to translate > what they, or others, have said into English, though. > > We haven't actually started a round, because we need a judge and a > theme. =A0As a random side comment, I thought a meta-Lojban theme > (like "must not contain abstractions") would be fun, but I don't > want to judge, as I want to participate. > > -Robin Okay, so there is no turn structure, or voting on fantasy rules? They are just propsed at will, and automatically come into effect if judged valid? Seems a little... chaotic? --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.