From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDg0_LvBBoE9fnJ1g@googlegroups.com Sat Jun 18 06:36:45 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QXvhb-0006T0-F9; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:45 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf1529699qyk.16 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cdDUm6NjvJHBajtQMTnKsYXrXPsqMSyK5swICLCUhEU=; b=wMAoKnly2UtLUMDmrRGwKP/b8iujXkNFjUahFWbJOhZp3IXsmfjq9XERZRG4aunoa3 1asKKFs56qCmIna7N9ZdpSOeMhoD1P9Qh31Q2hL5gLG/Rgqq/ODE9+IJ2O4jrXYgQHKy 14bFesae/Knea/mNGC/ldwZv4ia2YTrWXqwDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=FzlqI8B/F0nDHOtdYKLZFhuYaj/WQIFOkDBVbKoNWs2uQ3AcoeT6kPV+ruwdqGIAnT Hnyve1uVPIiLXftVc97wlbxGWZcQU/qlXexz3VJ0UC6A5zDq1o8/SZ9JGFGf75NV3E2+ WnyXrdd+yRpT14H9vJ3rY0rNahkHWfeJNQx6Y= Received: by 10.224.201.196 with SMTP id fb4mr327216qab.49.1308404192666; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.182.134 with SMTP id cc6ls933590qab.4.gmail; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.205.195 with SMTP id fr3mr2885953qab.24.1308404191984; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.205.195 with SMTP id fr3mr2885952qab.24.1308404191977; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k32si3793214qcs.1.2011.06.18.06.36.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by vws13 with SMTP id 13so1351133vws.40 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.4 with SMTP id bk4mr3376532vdb.143.1308404191569; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.234 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:36:31 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/6/18 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > > These non-ka properties are then just lambda expressions > which return different kinds of values. It appears only logical > that {ce'u} should be used. "ce'u" is not used for the return value, it is used to mark the slot of the property holder. The slot for the return value is marked with "ma kau". > The best I have come up with are > constructions such as > =A0 =A0{ko'a jibni ko'e lo se stuzi be ce'u}. > > Nevertheless, this directly contradicts the gimste, which > specifically asks for a {ka} or {ni}. The CLL does not > mention any possible use of {ce'u} outside an abstraction > either. > > What am I missing? > How are these ideas expressed in the current corpus? ko'a jibni ko'e lo ka makau stuzi ce'u ko'a is close to ko'e in location ("in what their locations are"). ko'a dunli ko'e lo ka makau cmene ce'u ko'a is equal to ko'e in name ("in what their names are"). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.