From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDap_TvBBoEka0yww@googlegroups.com Sat Jun 18 14:08:54 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QY2lA-00040e-T6; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:54 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf1035721gwb.16 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wUCUjcpEVpMBiJJXrUNLQa+Ld6e7gTn7FBKpC8vUgjM=; b=k8KGMaAo2PlCrnS+elSraGX6y10BtDiQPDeUZ1Y0vOrbp1NiNZT/EUniqiWQPDu4Rh zA21/Q/jkP3qhygaDmxvaYNrCm+6FY405KAEcTip9UT+stm9Uo2wTFT6bjffCuXM8evi 2tlgNmb9JvWQSITXG7HGaGrXOjwxxWB22pvxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WTJQ0noJ7blJ1stBnAHRNb9Xu5gN1q8+8DLM0+qd/uwnWWwS2B/FaQdH/gK9D0JNa/ w5zJG7XOh1CGKt9MgshxMYzLdpe3KmPHgcHoiS1dW0gtCZPLgGVqpZuak/x5jCd2b7jK e3ShCMLURH9gWb7UkJCWsmUIkpYXP3uVI/Zb8= Received: by 10.150.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr492148ybh.34.1308431322967; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.33.30 with SMTP id l30ls3751647ybj.0.gmail; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.180.8 with SMTP id i8mr2324488yhm.55.1308431322146; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.180.8 with SMTP id i8mr2324487yhm.55.1308431322130; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.227]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id s34si2504947yhh.5.2011.06.18.14.08.41; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.227 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.227; Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2011 21:08:41 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2011 21:08:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2011 21:08:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 823223.78167.bm@omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91021 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2011 21:08:41 -0000 Message-ID: <639278.90960.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: v5kLlxwVM1lKS8Zo7TiKE3rm8c6e20npV0dKNxZb6hb830f Pd.mCuKRDtWmehQhwWf0eSFTU7NsVEbfIqIvCIsd5bAIoMXTwqDsycssvEne XPiNsebhg2LqpaoVWcph3uZSJPKIyvdevifOvbNcekLHq5tYuB_4.26AtkQN LQBiSOSLXKFySfQR7OFTEFyhacPbwXccrZpIDUEYKkEouoyNtQvf8oK0mfmz Z3Frkf8CXUVABJl5RdGhyq3rpnVJpovVhMgrGydcC.P5AwAoSnP_3MHA24UW evYupsZNKt0kz6LIeAK3La3xKJhi64zCe49qWN_mMt.UI0nDbKnKjRS104x3 FznuO4nHnl1ESk0Ybc7szWdnd80bipL7AjbLP251fQW.DI2LAggSCC9zN4Yd lJVrweBa.CSnvSRN9e0zV.j.6x38hbnZ_10FeSw6buM0l.aNPaUVcWGw7X_6 6Y2ZmvgaANk4h7ayWd2YN2gUXEngWuHZmeBmsYpmJxw-- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <860642.20311.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry; I should have clarified "in text", there are , of course, properties= =20 never referred to or not in this corpus, etc. but, if they are referred to = at=20 all, they are referred to using ka-expressions (or indirectly). On the issu= e of=20 whether one ka expression can refer to several (though presumably even then= not=20 uncountably many) different properties, I gave to suppose that is as true a= s the=20 claim that some predicates are ambiguous, which seems certainly true -- may= be=20 even in a given context. =20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 2:17:43 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:56 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > A case > could be made, I think, that all and only properties are referred to by > ka-expressions. "Only", perhaps. "All", I doubt. The number of ka-expressions is countable, while the number of properties is not. Perhaps you are allowing the same ka-expression to be used to refer to more than one property. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. 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