From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC1h_jvBBoEVt6pIQ@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 19 07:12:21 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYIjX-0000WE-KT; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:20 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2687161qwh.16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mZxfyef6AW7aR0twmL/bvt+EqSCOCmRgYkYCOiUs0YA=; b=w12DBTtljxR6ZyGtsjUNUZbkYKcA2L6WA+VwmjBC+i/BjU85lvSV7M0iUKK3CcLIse kjfzarunyWEYMP6R8WKwGFERKoakyUCM7mC14HBMMZevzWuFrRFS27Y+USIwmzD9SUM5 TVaJiL1dQZCN+q9EzB7fnMcG/etRhktfgWcFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=tLTQJk6aiCwBf8g46gFd745/I7XChYKZgzDOw8OVr1njlr7YjLCJuEsnHt4VTERVIk FXJdXYeJjWeopTrc8KVFJoRCoJqTINsrk6dTHb4LO8mMg+pBNm6HxL5x5sVGM0qsSPoM C0Ww6AtjfgLaUyNQozi3d3opIt1M3NfF+Evus= Received: by 10.224.208.135 with SMTP id gc7mr414904qab.53.1308492725804; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.71 with SMTP id cv7ls1090413qab.1.gmail; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.66 with SMTP id ef2mr4037543qab.22.1308492725275; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.66 with SMTP id ef2mr4037542qab.22.1308492725267; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f173.google.com ([209.85.220.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k32si4727281qcs.1.2011.06.19.07.12.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.173; Received: by mail-vx0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 11so1073696vxc.4 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.110.234 with SMTP id id10mr2160242vdb.303.1308492725055; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.234 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:12:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <639278.90960.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <860642.20311.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <639278.90960.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:12:05 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:08 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > Sorry; I should have clarified "in text", there are , of course, properties > never referred to or not in this corpus, etc. but, if they are referred to at > all, they are referred to using ka-expressions (or indirectly). By "indirectly" do you mean things like "lo se ckaji" or "lo jinzi" or "lo kambra"? I take it a ka-expression is an expression of the form "LE ka ", where the sentence contains an explicit or implicit "ce'u". If you define ka-expressions as the only direct way to refer to properties, then of course all properties that are referred to directly must be referred to by a ka-expression, but that doesn't seem to tell us much. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.